TheSamba.com :: View topic - Rejuv thread 71' (3/71) 411 4 door saloon !LOTS of PICS!

Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:29 pm

here are the pics
and i already have some questions

PO cut for a/c??

i pulled the front trunk lid and Nothing
seems like there is tension but cant get it open

i cant do anything without it open
No Gas
No a/c
No Heater (if equipped)

whats the OG offset of the wheels
t3?/t1?

they just look as if they sit Really Close to the suspension

how about the doors?
can i get the boards off without the door open
i cant get the pass front open
and cant get the rear passenger closed

rear suspension IRS? like a type 3?

brakes (hubs/drums)
are the same as type 3s? (66-71)

front rotors?
914?
type 3 71> ?
so its the bigger ones
(my 71'*5/70*) is the smaller and the type 4s are the larger calipers?

Auto is same 003 as my type 3
Same gearing?
same starter?

ignition the same? as my 71

or Is all the stuff really going to coincide with 71> type 3s

the A/C... how do i take the under dash part out untill i fix it
is there any wiring diagrams for it
or should it come in repair manuals
i bought a haynes and a clymer and some other one

trust me there WILL be more questions

Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:59 am

got the front open by taking off the entire pass headlight assembly and unbolting the latch

heres some pics to show what a little elbo grease will do

Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:56 am

The riviera wheels are worth more than the car (yet) :twisted:

Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:34 am

Thats a very straight car. Nice find. Ray

Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:47 am

The Riv's look great on the car, very nice. I'm sure alot of us are envious of how clean the body is.

I put a set of 5.5X15 ET40 Porsche 914 Sport Wheels on my 412. I really like the look. Marathon's look good as well.

You are going to have fun re-doing the interior. There are no seat kits available so you will have to either contact Sewfine or find someone near you that does that work (unless you do it yourself).

Is that a cooling system of some kind in the cut out area of the spare tire well? My 412 has A/C but the front end is different and the cooling assembly is mounted differently. I can't help on that one.

It's looking good!

Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 am

the rear might be type 3 kit
the fronts One i find some headrests
who knows

but....what you see is Seat Covers
Padded Seat Covers

im kinda afraid and Excited to take them off and get a look at the OG seats
the drivers has gone thru the cover and part of the seat
But im believing the Rear will be almost perfect..get the paint cleaned a couple more times then Wax Her...

MMMmmmmm....
im totally digging this car already :D :D

Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:24 am

While it may have seat covers on it, what is the foam and stuff underneath like? Vegas is hot and dry and will FUBAR an interior up even if it doesn't look bad. Dry plastic will crack and crumble in no time.

If you want head rests, find type 4 seats that have them. I thought the brochure for '71 showed head rests, I know the '72 411 wagon I picked up last weekend has the 412 type head rests.

Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:47 am

Quote: The Riv's look great on the car, very nice.

they sure do :wink:

Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:56 pm

I've always thought that VW would have sold many more 411/412's if they had offered different wheels as standard equipment. Anything sportier than what they had. They were marketing the car as an upscale luxury VW but had the basic steel wheels...WTH??

Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:16 pm

I think that VW sold the type 1, 2 and karmann ghia just because they we're great value for money and had a lot of character by there looks.

Type 3 and 4 we're "just" cars, and people saw only the bad things of aircooled VW's (noise, fuel consumers). But VW doesn't know how to sell them... they did not sell themselves... :cry:

It was a good change in early 70's to watercooled engines (from commercial perspective)

Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:09 pm

19super73 wrote: I've always thought that VW would have sold many more 411/412's if they had offered different wheels as standard equipment. Anything sportier than what they had. They were marketing the car as an upscale luxury VW but had the basic steel wheels...WTH??

My thoughts exactly! Probably a concession to the accountants. I mean even some wider, model specific and more deluxe styled steel wheels would have been something. Damn things have a "sausage balanced on toothpicks" look to me with the stock wheels/tires. And why such a high offset, too? It isn't even necessary.

Anyway, the car is looking great, keep up that momentum!

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:13 am

We have brought this p on the STF a few times. I spoke to Sewfine about 4 years ago. They have never made 411/412 seat covers....but are willing to. If one of us has a complete seat cover and will send it to them...or better yet the whole seat (to be returned).....they will pattern the seats for about $250-350. Then they will charge about $150-$250 for a complete set of front covers. The rear with folding armrest is so close in every dimension to late type 3 with folding armrest that I know I can modify it in minutes to work.

If we get a group buy together enough...we can bury the patterning costs for about $25 per person...and keep the seat cover and padding costs to essentially the same as a type 3.
I also have an option that will work very well to put Procar seats like this one in....and add the headrest from the stock seats. This seat will attach to the stock seat track and chassis easily.
www.procarbyscat.com/Products_InteriorKits.asp Check out the pro-90 series seat down this page. It many ways its virtually identical to the 412 seat...except for a slightly different headrest.

I will be contacting them to see if they could sew seats together with vinyls and materials supplied by Sewfine....which has most of the factory vinyls and tweeds in stock.
If so....then you could have the rear seat made in the material of your choice from a type 3 pattern....then send the same material to Procar to have them make some Pro 90 front seats for you.

The panels.....I can make factory repro panels quite easily and will be happy to show you how to do the embossing work. I'll talk about the headliner at another time. I have a pretty cool solution but need to test it. Ray

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:49 am

Exactly. I don't think that VW knew how to properly market (at least in NA) a more upscale car. Now that I see Riv's on a Type 4 though, it makes me want to get a set!

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:56 am

Ray, I have extra seats if need be.

Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:03 pm

Vonkr,
That green is the same as on my old 411. It was so clean save for a little rust behind the front wheel wells. So I took off one of the front fenders to see exactly how extensive it was and----oh shit!! It had become structural by then and showed signs of previous intervention measures. Sadly I had to throw it away (well, I donated it to some worthy society or other---I forget which). God I know there must be something wrong with me but I love those type 4's.

Chris