TheSamba.com :: View topic - Great find today-Rifle mount bottom bracket

Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:22 pm

I was told that the two small holes in the front passenger side door (one centered above the pocket and one centered below) were to accommodate two rifle mount brackets. I'm skeptical as the holes seem too small to support the weight of a rifle, and would locate the weapon in an awkward position making it impossible to open the door. The weapon would also be jammed up against the side of the passenger. Doesn't make sense.

So... Is there a floor mount for the front passenger side just like the front driver's side (as shown above)? And does anyone know what those two little holes in the door are for? The driver's side doesn't have them. Just curious.

Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:56 pm

Fun 181 wrote:

Hardy-har-har. Listen Spalding, I know you think the impending Zombie Apocalypse is all a big joke, but rest assured that the Judgment Day is on it's way! Consider yourself "lucky" as only gun-toting Thing owners will be the only ones with even half a chance when the undead rise up against the living!

might want to keep an extra set of points in your bail-out bag if you run petronix for when the EMP blast hits. We will have the roads to ourselves

on topic: could you just put the drivers floor mount on the passenger side by mounting it upside down?

Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:56 pm

Fun 181 wrote: I was told that the two small holes in the front passenger side door (one centered above the pocket and one centered below) were to accommodate two rifle mount brackets. I'm skeptical as the holes seem too small to support the weight of a rifle, and would locate the weapon in an awkward position making it impossible to open the door. The weapon would also be jammed up against the side of the passenger. Doesn't make sense.
My understanding is that there is a metal part to hold maps that attaches to those holes.

Quote: So... Is there a floor mount for the front passenger side just like the front driver's side (as shown above)?.
Lettuce is correct. The rifle mounts are ambidextrous.

Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:08 pm

Captain Spalding wrote: Doc*181 wrote: Is it a coincidence that there are no more Belgian Zombies? I don't think so...
Who says? I know of at least a dozen in the moat at Casteel Alden Biesen.

Next time, don't go wild at the vast amount of Belgian beers... :lol:

Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:11 pm

Having both an FAL and a G3 variant, I was excited to get a rifle mount... But that soon led to disappointment when I discovered that the roll bar blocked the barrel on the rear position, as well and anchoring between the two rifle mounts on the driver/passenger position.

So, I did the obvious thing, and bought an Uzi. It's short, and fits anywhere :-).

FWIW I took my son and a friend shooting a while back. My son's Mosin Nagant is far too long to lay flat anywhere in the car, especially with the bayonet attached (it's about 5 feet long from butt plate to the tip of the bayonette) :-) ... and that's how we drove out of town, even hitting the drive through on the way out. Cops didn't bother us, even though we were behind one in the drive through.

Man, I love this state... and 181's... and guns...

Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:31 pm

EODinert wrote: Having both an FAL and a G3 variant, I was excited to get a rifle mount... But that soon led to disappointment when I discovered that the roll bar blocked the barrel on the rear position . . .
Priorities, priorities. Either get rid of the roll bar or anchor the rifle to it. :wink:

Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:41 pm

:ahem:
don't make me send this to zombie land

Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:39 pm

Im kind of surprised the NATO 181's didnt come with a standard rollbar with provisions for the rifle mounts, at least in the later years.

Up at ft. Drum in the early 90s, at least some units of the Pennsylvania national guard were still using willys jeeps, and they had a humungous roll cage that was almost bigger than the jeeps themselves. and they had weapon mounts modified for them.

Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:27 pm

181 was replaced by the 183 as early as 1978

The Kubel's grandchild

National Guard always got the Army's leftovers and were generally 10 to 15 years behind in technology

Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:41 pm

yeah, I know about the iltis, but there were still 181s in service across NATO until the mid 90s. I was TDY'd to a german mech unit for a few weeks and they had a few 181s in the motor pool still for "retrans" units.

man i wish i could have brought one of those back...

likewise, at the same time, there were still mechanics being issued m3 "grease guns"..WWII vintage submachine guns.

Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:12 pm

It's been a while but the last I knew our tank crews were still issued the M3.

Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:21 pm

As a radio repairman, that was my issued weapon but I have been out for nearly 40 years.

Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:34 pm

Yarkle wrote: Im kind of surprised the NATO 181's didnt come with a standard rollbar with provisions for the rifle mounts, at least in the later years.

Because the 181 was not really a combat vehicle? It had to be simple and cheap.

Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:09 pm

A length of tubing with some bends in it and some welds holding it together could not have been terribly expensive

Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:25 am

well, this was during the cold war, so if the balloon went up, everyone in europe was going to be fighting, so any military vehicle was going to be a combat vehicle.

im just surprised they didnt make it an issued item for the 181, considering some of the other bizareness they come up with.

as an aside, last time i was near an M1A1, I thought the crews had 9mm pistols and i think there was an M16 rack or two. Now they probably have M4s. Now, M60 crews probably still have grease guns, if any are still in service. dunno for sure, ive been out for 14 years!

Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:57 am

Yarkle wrote: well, this was during the cold war, so if the balloon went up, everyone in europe was going to be fighting, so any military vehicle was going to be a combat vehicle.

im just surprised they didnt make it an issued item for the 181, considering some of the other bizareness they come up with.

Maybe rollbars weren't 'invented' yet or not considered usefull on a small car?

Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:36 pm

Fun 181 wrote: From the Samba gallery...

Not positive on this model. I'm guessing an early model FN FAL.

SilverThing identifies this as a HK G3...

I'm going with the FN FAL as the de facto weapon used in a 1970's era, european military type 181.

Only today I read this topic...

The G3 was in use in many european countrys in the 70s and 80s, and still today in use in Portugal... :shock:

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:24 am

Those rifles in the photos are H&K's.....G3, not FAL's, which were G1's.

You can tell by the magazines and the way the pistol grips are mounted.

BNMike

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:31 am

Does anyone know where I can get a rifle mount for my Thing, aside from Ralf (shipping too expensive)?