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Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:46 pm

Years ago my family owned a '411 Stationwagen'. I recently aquired a '71 Squareback. What is the difference, if any??

Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:29 pm

squareback is a type 3
type 4s were called saloons and estates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Type_4

Quote: The Type 4 was marketed as the Volkswagen 411, produced from 1968 to 1972, and, modestly improved, as the 412 from 1972 till 1974. Both ranges included a fastback saloon and an estate version.

Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:44 am

66puddlejumper wrote: Years ago my family owned a '411 Stationwagen'. I recently aquired a '71 Squareback. What is the difference, if any??

The body styles are quite similar between T3 and T4 VW's. The T3 terminology was often applied to the T4: Squareback, Fastback, etc. The T3's and T4's are almost totally different animals though. No body parts interchange and only a few very minor engine and suspension parts do. A T4 is the hardest aircooled VW of its era to restore and keep going, but can be an absolute pleasure when everything is right.

Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:04 am

Wildthings wrote: 66puddlejumper wrote: Years ago my family owned a '411 Stationwagen'. I recently aquired a '71 Squareback. What is the difference, if any??

The body styles are quite similar between T3 and T4 VW's. The T3 terminology was often applied to the T4: Squareback, Fastback, etc. The T3's and T4's are almost totally different animals though. No body parts interchange and only a few very minor engine and suspension parts do. A T4 is the hardest aircooled VW of its era to restore and keep going, but can be an absolute pleasure when everything is right.

Well said! These are very nice cars to drive and own. Very few parts come across from type 3. But some are worth having. The steering column and steering wheel and ignition switch and blinker lever assembly are definately same as late type 3. So are door handles. Ray

Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:36 pm

**Mid 71' changes apply to T3 & T4**
.
some plugs
75% of the F.I. components
most of the brakes...ex..MC
95% of the auto tranny (& related axles.and such..not CVs)
wheel offset
wheel bearings
steering wheel
turn switch
ignition
fuel sender
hood latches
some seals (doors and hoods)
hood cables
handles
shifters (auto & 4spd)
bumpers (late but not mounts)
most relays
... and apparently the glove box lock :lol:

so if TOOB is for owners of a T3 & a Bus
then what about those VERY FEW!! (if anyone but me)of us
that own a T3 & a T4

.....ya know
....... other than 8)

heres a link for a parts swap
http://home.clara.net/hallvw/partswap.htm

Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:55 pm

'Skinman....dewd!..... :shock: ....running on steel rims with no rubber is a poor....but very effective I will admit...way to lower your 411!
If you drive it fast enough we can call you sparky! :lol: Ray

Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:58 pm

lowriders eat your heart out

Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:49 pm

Thank you guys for the replys. After looking at the pictures and going into the Squareback forum, Im sure the car was the 4 headlight car. Mine now, has the 2 headlights. I also think I was mistaken in that I now think the other car was a 412. Not real sure now. Awesome spark-job...glad it didnt catch fire!!

Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:04 am

Just for my own intrest I made a quick look in a suppliers catalogue, what parts they list to be common for T3 and T4 cars in their (limited) stock. Dont know if it is 100% correct and some parts do not fit every year model etc.
Still it is a wery limited number of parts that interchange but there are a few surprises to me...

/Lars S

Light relay
Rear plate light seal
Brake light switch
Horn
Blinker relay
Bushing for wiper arms
Bliker lever
Splash nozzle
Window lever
End butt for camshaft
Needle bearing at flywheel
Valve spring locking “washers”
Oil pump cover
Seal under oil cooler
Fuel filling hose
Fuel cap
Seal incoming shaft nose cone
Seal incoming shaft gear box
Disc front
Bushing for steering damper
Wheel bearing front
Drive Joint
Wire for boot front
Door handle
Arm rest
Cover for fuse box

Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:18 am

raygreenwood wrote: Wildthings wrote: 66puddlejumper wrote: Years ago my family owned a '411 Stationwagen'. I recently aquired a '71 Squareback. What is the difference, if any??

The body styles are quite similar between T3 and T4 VW's. The T3 terminology was often applied to the T4: Squareback, Fastback, etc. The T3's and T4's are almost totally different animals though. No body parts interchange and only a few very minor engine and suspension parts do. A T4 is the hardest aircooled VW of its era to restore and keep going, but can be an absolute pleasure when everything is right.

Well said! These are very nice cars to drive and own. Very few parts come across from type 3. But some are worth having. The steering column and steering wheel and ignition switch and blinker lever assembly are definately same as late type 3. So are door handles. Ray

Hi Ray,

When you say steering column, are you referring to the actual tube that bolts onto the car which the indicator shroud etc bolt onto? I have used a column tube from a '72 Type 3 in my earlier '68 fasty, that part was an absolute cow to find, but if Type 4's used the same column tube then it woudl make my life so much easier for future conversions....

Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:10 am

the tubes are for the car Not the colomn

and you can Really put any one you want in the car and just modify the wires

but up to 71 the wipers (?and something else?)
was on the dash
and 72-74 T3s and T4s(?)
have a different column where they have 2 levers
1 for headlights/blinkers
1 for wipers i believe
72-74 TYPE 3

72-74 TYPE 4

71' is ONE YEAR ONLY for the Actual Ignition Switch AND the Steering wheel/horn ring
The Brass Ribbon Keep Constant Contact With Wheel

my 71 T3 has a normal T3 2 spoke steering wheel With Ribbon
(love the date is 1981?)

strangely my 71 411 has a 3 prong steering wheel that i havent seen before..didnt Have turn switch when i got it
(and Still don know how to put the wheel together)

Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:25 am

You have the early type steering wheel... see here:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1969_411_swedish/13.jpg