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Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:35 pm

So I was removing my radio to work on it and noticed that there is what looks like a ground wire that is not connected to anything. This is the first time I have really looked at my wiring since I bought my 57 Oval and am not as familiar with what is what.
I do know that my turn signal indicator on the speedo does not work and was wondering if this is a ground wire that is supposed to connect to it somehow.
Also it looks like this cylindrical connector here is newer. It has the push on wire connections. Is the ground supposed to connect to this somehow but I have the wrong component in here? the other wires on this connector do go back to the speedo. one connects to what looks like the spot that runs those lights that blink with the turn signal. Everything on the bug works fine except the turn signal indicator and radio so I assume this wire has something to do with the indicator but I don't know what the wiring is supposed to look like originally. Any thoughts?

Other than what I am describing it looks like the wiring is all original still.

Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:10 pm

The flasher relay definitely looks new. It should have at least three wires. 1 wire goes to power(fuse) - 1 wire goes to the turn signal switch - 1 wire goes to the bulb in the speedometer cluster that flashes to indicate signal. From the photo it looks like only 2 wires are connected. I have a new 6 volt flasher from Wolfsburg West on my 1960. It is more square and it has a fourth wire as a ground. I am not sure from the photo if yours does or not. The blue wire looks it goes to the cluster. The green wire looks like it is power connected to the fuse box. So trace that brown wire and see if it is connected to the turn signal switch. If so, that is likely your missing wire. You may have pulled it off when you were taking the radio out. Verify that the green wire is getting power from the fuse box.

Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:41 pm

If that brown wire goes to the wiper motor support bolt it was the ground for the original bakelite four terminal flasher. Originally there were two brown wires crimped into a single ring terminal, the other wire would go to terminal 31 on the wiper motor.

On the flasher S is schalter (turn signal switch, black w/green and white), K is kontrolle (indicator lamp, blue), "+" is power from the fuse panel (also black w/ green & white) via terminal 15 on the ignition switch.

It looks like you have swapped "+" and 'S', but hard to tell from the picture...

Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:47 pm

ground wire. there used to be a terminal were you now have the blinker relay is installed

I believe

Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:08 pm

So I do need a 4 terminal switch? So that the ground will be connected ?

Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:47 pm

Sorry, I do now see that you do have that third wire connected on the flasher. This photo is of an original 6 volt flasher. The +connector is at the 12 o'clock position. The S connector to the turn signal switch is at 3 o'clock. The ground connector(sometimes numbered 31) is about 7 o'clock and the K connection(sometimes also numbered 54) to the bulb is at 10 o'clock. As suggested by templeofspeed make sure those connections are correct. I agree that they may be swapped.[img][/img] Let me also corrrect my earlier post regarding installing the new 6 volt electronic flasher relay from WW. The photo will explain the installation. It has been a while and I had forgotten the exact connector configuration.It in effect does have 4 connection points. [img][/img] I do really like the WW relay. It seems to flash more quickly and consistently.

Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:23 pm

poopdevil wrote: So I do need a 4 terminal switch? So that the ground will be connected ? Were the turn signals working before you pulled the radio? If they were, then you know that something changed when you working in there. I would suggest you carefully look at how your relay is marked and connect accordingly. I do notice that the WW 6 volt relays are out of stock presently so that is not an option. As the WW instructions that I previously posted indicate, the S & K wires use the same connection point with a double spade connector. Then there is the ground connection and then the power connection. Again that is with the WW electronic relay. You will have to follow your relay markings. If it does not have a connection for ground, it is possible that it will ground just from the mounting point. Can't be sure though until you try.

Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:00 pm

If all else fails, looks like CIP1 does have this. http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D111%2D953%2D185%2DB

Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:03 pm

Sorry, it is out of stock. :cry:

Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:38 pm

Hey guys, Is this the correct switch? If so it is getting bought today!
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111953185BWW

Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:19 am

poopdevil wrote: Hey guys, Is this the correct switch? If so it is getting bought today!
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111953185BWW

Yes. That is the 6 volt turn signal relay that I purchased for my 1960. It has worked fine for me.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:08 am

Weak. I swapped the flasher for the newer Wolfsburg and nothing. I feel like its no good. I even tried swapping things around. Nothing. So while I was putting the old one back I accidentally touched the + with the ground while other wire was on and it sparked and blew the flasher. Funny thing is now the light inside the car turns on when you use the signal. It won't flash but turns on. Now though the turn signals don't work after the spark. Anyone know where to get an original style flasher? Not the Wolfsburg square one? Now my ride works less than before I messed with it.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:28 am

looks like I popped a fuse. I'll replace that and see if the old flasher works. I wish the Wolfsburg had same markings as the one I have. Coulda been plug and play. I suck at wiring.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:04 am

Time to break out the wiring chart and test light!

Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:37 am

I hope these pics may help you. Usually when I am doing any wiring job, I will disconnect the battery ground cable so that I don't short anything out. This is how I wired my Wolfsburg West relay. 1) terminal 31 is the ground wire. My 1960 did not have a separate ground wire so I had to add one. It is the red/pink wire. 2) terminal #49 is the wire from the fuse box. It powers the relay when the ignition is on. Mine was black with green and white stripes and has the blue plastic insulator by the spade. 3) terminal #49A is the double connector. One connector is for the wire that comes from the turn signal switch (black with green and white stripes) and the other connector is for the wire that comes from the turn signal light in the speedometer(solid blue). [img][/img][img][/img] Your wire colors may not necessarily match what I have described. However if you can determine where the wire is coming from, then you will know which terminal on the relay to connect to. If it still does not work, you may have some other wiring issues perhaps in the turn signal switch itself. I think it would be unlikely that your WW relay was bad out of the box. Have a real good look at the wiring diagram for your year bug that you can find in the technical section.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:35 pm

Thanks do much. I'm going to try again tonight. The ground wire I have is right now connected where the rmetal radio strap is bolted to the car. It was just hanging there. Is that ok? Can I just connect it to the relay from that point or do I need it connected somewhere else? The ground doesn't go anywhere right now. I'll check the wiring diagram.
Everything works with the current switch except the light inside the car. Worst case it stays as is bug I really want everything working properly.
Thanks for taking time to post pics.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:13 pm

poopdevil wrote: Thanks do much. I'm going to try again tonight. The ground wire I have is right now connected where the rmetal radio strap is bolted to the car. It was just hanging there. Is that ok? Can I just connect it to the relay from that point or do I need it connected somewhere else? The ground doesn't go anywhere right now. I'll check the wiring diagram.
Everything works with the current switch except the light inside the car. Worst case it stays as is bug I really want everything working properly.
Thanks for taking time to post pics.

That ground wire should serve the purpose OK. Just make sure the connection to the metal radio strap is clean and tight. When I have a ground wire that I suspect is not doing its job adequately, I will run a temporary ground wire from another good ground point to see if that will improve things. I just use a wire with allligator clips on both ends. A test light is really handy. You want to make sure that the wire from the fuse box that goes to terminal #49 on the relay is live. (with the ignition on). Hope that you can get this figured out.