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Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:42 am

EverettB wrote: j8bug wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: Why would you spend all that money on restoration for a freakin car that is not legally yours. Lesson learned, register the car before you start dumping money into it. He's just playing dumb. AllWagons, you know what they say, common sense is not that common but you might be right, he could be playing dumb or worse; #-o BOTH

It doesn't say he never registered it.

He could have done that without knowing the title he had did not match the car. Ive heard of similar horror stories before. Jorge of the German Toys can tell you a real life story along those lines. Not fun..

Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:30 pm

j8bug wrote: EverettB wrote: j8bug wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: Why would you spend all that money on restoration for a freakin car that is not legally yours. Lesson learned, register the car before you start dumping money into it. He's just playing dumb. AllWagons, you know what they say, common sense is not that common but you might be right, he could be playing dumb or worse; #-o BOTH

It doesn't say he never registered it.

He could have done that without knowing the title he had did not match the car. Ive heard of similar horror stories before. Jorge of the German Toys can tell you a real life story along those lines. Not fun..
J8bug,

in this life, anything is possible, but us Mexicans don't trust anyone, you really think homeboy got the car and never looked under the seat and checked the VIN#? Specially us hustlers that buy and sell sh*t!

here's the article

The case began last summer after Francisco Quiroz of Northridge discovered the vehicle identification number on his red VW didn't match the one on his pink slip. Quiroz contacted the Department of Motor Vehicles, which told him to contact the California Highway Patrol.

The CHP took his statement and kept the car.

They contacted Darlene Peterson, who had reported the car stolen in March 1991. They told her it had been recovered but refused to hand it over, saying that Quiroz had bought the car in good faith, the Burbank Leader reported

John Peterson, Darlene's husband, was less than pleased: "Well, he bought a stolen car."

For his part, Quiroz said he purchased the car in 1999,

He had 12 years to check the vin. Heck, I check my vin everytime I diconnect my battery!

Anyways, cool thread on reviving the 80's VW scene!

Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:40 pm

I go as far as to check for any weld evidence as far back as I can see around the #s...Ive even thought of sticking a mirror inside the tunnel if something doesnt seem right hoping I dont spot some weld slag. Fuck that, I hate the county jail process so I could care less if the seller thinks Im being a dick. Ive seen way to much...

Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:40 pm

AND NOW ITS ON EBAY,,, :roll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-VOLKSWAGEN-BEE...20c1f8e0e4

Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:30 pm

CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: AND NOW ITS ON EBAY,,, :roll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-VOLKSWAGEN-BEE...20c1f8e0e4

Wow... they b*tched about paying $800 to a guy who spent thousands on it (and, in the end, he might as well have just burned that money) and then turn around and sell it?! [-( #-o [-X

Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:50 pm

Karma.
It'll bite em before this is over.
At least I hope so.

Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:21 pm

mgamike wrote: Karma.
It'll bite em before this is over.
At least I hope so.

:wink: YEP,,BAD JUJU....

Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:13 pm

It REALLY sucks for Francisco Quiroz. I'm sure he was really excited about the car when he got it. And he obviously put lots of time, effort, money and love into it.

For the rest of us, this should be an important lesson. ALWAYS make sure you have good paper and make sure that paper matches the numbers on the car BEFORE you get involved.

Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:01 pm

CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: AND NOW ITS ON EBAY,,, :roll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-VOLKSWAGEN-BEE...20c1f8e0e4

Quote: CA CHP HAS ASSIGNED A NEW VIN PLATE

Worthless now, don't buy it.

Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:50 pm

drscope wrote:

For the rest of us, this should be an important lesson. ALWAYS make sure you have good paper and make sure that paper matches the numbers on the car BEFORE you get involved.

Unfortunately, even this is nearly impossible. remember the bus that was stolen in Spokane, WA and found in a shipping container in LA? That bus had legally changed hands several times over the previous 35 years, it was restored, and sold to a European buyer. US Customs had access to a stolen vehicle database that found the stolen vehicle report from 1974, and the bus was seized.

Your local DMV and Police Dept. do not have access to that database, so even if you have the VIN searched for abnormalities, it could still come back to bite you in the ass. It is becoming a sad reality for the old car hobby. I have asked about the US Customs database with very few answers. The big question I have is this, why was a stolen vehicle report for 1974, which was no doubt typed out on paper and buried in a basement file room, suddenly found on a nationwide computer database? Who is doing that kind of data entry?

Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:05 pm

cdennisg wrote: drscope wrote:

For the rest of us, this should be an important lesson. ALWAYS make sure you have good paper and make sure that paper matches the numbers on the car BEFORE you get involved.

Unfortunately, even this is nearly impossible. remember the bus that was stolen in Spokane, WA and found in a shipping container in LA? That bus had legally changed hands several times over the previous 35 years, it was restored, and sold to a European buyer. US Customs had access to a stolen vehicle database that found the stolen vehicle report from 1974, and the bus was seized.

Your local DMV and Police Dept. do not have access to that database, so even if you have the VIN searched for abnormalities, it could still come back to bite you in the ass. It is becoming a sad reality for the old car hobby. I have asked about the US Customs database with very few answers. The big question I have is this, why was a stolen vehicle report for 1974, which was no doubt typed out on paper and buried in a basement file room, suddenly found on a nationwide computer database? Who is doing that kind of data entry?

I have your answer right here,

Cars exchange hands many times and are not registered, just signed over and if the car is not entered into the SVS (stolen Vehicle services) no one is ever going to find out unless they run it.

Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:10 pm

ALLWAGONS wrote: cdennisg wrote: drscope wrote:

For the rest of us, this should be an important lesson. ALWAYS make sure you have good paper and make sure that paper matches the numbers on the car BEFORE you get involved.

Unfortunately, even this is nearly impossible. remember the bus that was stolen in Spokane, WA and found in a shipping container in LA? That bus had legally changed hands several times over the previous 35 years, it was restored, and sold to a European buyer. US Customs had access to a stolen vehicle database that found the stolen vehicle report from 1974, and the bus was seized.

Your local DMV and Police Dept. do not have access to that database, so even if you have the VIN searched for abnormalities, it could still come back to bite you in the ass. It is becoming a sad reality for the old car hobby. I have asked about the US Customs database with very few answers. The big question I have is this, why was a stolen vehicle report for 1974, which was no doubt typed out on paper and buried in a basement file room, suddenly found on a nationwide computer database? Who is doing that kind of data entry?

I have your answer right here,

Cars exchange hands many times and are not registered, just signed over and if the car is not entered into the SVS (stolen Vehicle services) no one is ever going to find out unless they run it.

The Spokane bus had been retitled several times and registered in different states.

Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:28 pm

cdennisg wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: cdennisg wrote: drscope wrote:

For the rest of us, this should be an important lesson. ALWAYS make sure you have good paper and make sure that paper matches the numbers on the car BEFORE you get involved.

Unfortunately, even this is nearly impossible. remember the bus that was stolen in Spokane, WA and found in a shipping container in LA? That bus had legally changed hands several times over the previous 35 years, it was restored, and sold to a European buyer. US Customs had access to a stolen vehicle database that found the stolen vehicle report from 1974, and the bus was seized.

Your local DMV and Police Dept. do not have access to that database, so even if you have the VIN searched for abnormalities, it could still come back to bite you in the ass. It is becoming a sad reality for the old car hobby. I have asked about the US Customs database with very few answers. The big question I have is this, why was a stolen vehicle report for 1974, which was no doubt typed out on paper and buried in a basement file room, suddenly found on a nationwide computer database? Who is doing that kind of data entry?

I have your answer right here,

Cars exchange hands many times and are not registered, just signed over and if the car is not entered into the SVS (stolen Vehicle services) no one is ever going to find out unless they run it.

The Spokane bus had been retitled several times and registered in different states.

Keyword SVS,

Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:55 am

ALLWAGONS wrote: cdennisg wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: cdennisg wrote: drscope wrote:

For the rest of us, this should be an important lesson. ALWAYS make sure you have good paper and make sure that paper matches the numbers on the car BEFORE you get involved.

Unfortunately, even this is nearly impossible. remember the bus that was stolen in Spokane, WA and found in a shipping container in LA? That bus had legally changed hands several times over the previous 35 years, it was restored, and sold to a European buyer. US Customs had access to a stolen vehicle database that found the stolen vehicle report from 1974, and the bus was seized.

Your local DMV and Police Dept. do not have access to that database, so even if you have the VIN searched for abnormalities, it could still come back to bite you in the ass. It is becoming a sad reality for the old car hobby. I have asked about the US Customs database with very few answers. The big question I have is this, why was a stolen vehicle report for 1974, which was no doubt typed out on paper and buried in a basement file room, suddenly found on a nationwide computer database? Who is doing that kind of data entry?

I have your answer right here,

Cars exchange hands many times and are not registered, just signed over and if the car is not entered into the SVS (stolen Vehicle services) no one is ever going to find out unless they run it.

The Spokane bus had been retitled several times and registered in different states.

Keyword SVS,

I see that, but when did SVS come into service? I'm guessing it was fairly recent. If your VW in the garage was stolen in 1974, it is unlikely to have been on that database if you bought it ten years ago. If you go to sell it, and it has since been entered into that database, you could lose your VW to the long lost owner, or an insurance company, and it won't matter what proof you have that it's yours. That's the problem.

Is SVS the database that US Customs used to find the Spokane bus? Is it what was used to find out the beetle in this thread was stolen? Who has access to SVS?

Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:43 am

kamzcab86 wrote: CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: AND NOW ITS ON EBAY,,, :roll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-VOLKSWAGEN-BEE...20c1f8e0e4

Wow... they b*tched about paying $800 to a guy who spent thousands on it (and, in the end, he might as well have just burned that money) and then turn around and sell it?! [-( #-o [-X

$$GREED$$
The "original owners" could care less about getting thier "prised" Beetle back. Its all about making a dollar obviously.

Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:53 pm

Keyword SVS,[/quote]

I see that, but when did SVS come into service? I'm guessing it was fairly recent. If your VW in the garage was stolen in 1974, it is unlikely to have been on that database if you bought it ten years ago. If you go to sell it, and it has since been entered into that database, you could lose your VW to the long lost owner, or an insurance company, and it won't matter what proof you have that it's yours. That's the problem.

Is SVS the database that US Customs used to find the Spokane bus? Is it what was used to find out the beetle in this thread was stolen? Who has access to SVS?

Your local PD

Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:15 pm

ALLWAGONS wrote: Keyword SVS,

I see that, but when did SVS come into service? I'm guessing it was fairly recent. If your VW in the garage was stolen in 1974, it is unlikely to have been on that database if you bought it ten years ago. If you go to sell it, and it has since been entered into that database, you could lose your VW to the long lost owner, or an insurance company, and it won't matter what proof you have that it's yours. That's the problem.

Is SVS the database that US Customs used to find the Spokane bus? Is it what was used to find out the beetle in this thread was stolen? Who has access to SVS?

Your local PD[/quote]

I have asked the local PD about a nationwide database, with specific regard to the Spokane bus, and was told that they did not have access to whatever US Customs used for that search. They can run the VIN#, and I have done that many times, but it still does not seem to cover all the bases. It only checks for VIN# problems in Idaho and neighboring states.

Do you know when SVS was first started? Is it a recent electronic database? I still wonder how a paper document from 1974, with a stolen vehicle case that had been paid out by the insurance company, was entered into a modern electronic database.