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Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:28 am

So I'm wanting to put a 002 into my 1972 beetle.

Most important:
First will the 74 002 transaxle bolt up to my bug motor? I saw that they're for a t2/t4 style motor, maybe output shaft is different? I did read the trans for dummies section but didn't see if this mattered.. I found that on the 72 and later 002 I'd need to shorten the input shaft 1/2", I could just chop that 1/2" off in the trans and round the edges and be good?

From what I understand:

My bug starter will work with the 002 (sounds too good to be true, is it?)

I could use a strap mount, even though it isn't the best (some say)
http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/1076/AC311220/

This shift coupler to move the shifter into the tunnel
http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/1505/AC710003/
Does this make the parking brake not work?

Longer bellhousing studs

T2 conversion stubs and shorter axles, gonna run T2 cvs anyways.

Little grinding on the frame horns to clear the side of the trans?

What about the throw out bearing? Would I use the one for a 72 bug? or...

This would allow me to use a stock 002 tranny right? Sounds easy....

Greg

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:24 am

Watching this, because I'd like to know the answers to all these questions too. Specifically the parts about bolting right up to a bug motor, the throw out bearing, and using my bug starter.

Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:33 pm

Hope some genius chimes in...

Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:48 pm

Mamotorworks lists :

http://www.mamotorworkstv.com/vw/product/new-start...le_300747/

Starter is listed for bug and bus so I'm thinking it's safe to say a bug starter will work.

Ma also lists a throw out bearing for the 71 up bug and 71 up bus as the same. The early 002 last year is 1971 so... I'm kinda thinking it'll work

Greg

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:31 am

I got both transmissions at home side by side. I meant to go try to bolt up the starter last night but got distracted. I'll try again tonight.

Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:42 am

1. Cut the input shaft... 0.50" on the 002.
2. 72' t/o bearing, press plate and clutch disc.
3. Clearance the frame horns and weld the seams.
4. 10* trans mount... fitted properly you will end up wih about 5* to 7* total degree's with the nose cone in the tunnel. you may also have to shorten the shift rod.
5. Bowden tube, if you still run a cable type clutch actuator, will need to be cut down to accomidate the 002.
6. Some claim you have to recess or notch the bottom of the rear package tray the clear the trans. I did not. You will however have to break the clutch tube and throttle tube loose from the tack welds in the tunnel and move them over in the tunnel to clear the nosecone of the 002 trans.
7. Type 2 axles shaft lengths at your discretion based on trailing arm selection.
8. Bug starter bolts up.

There may be a few minor "tweaks" but that's all I can think of in the "major" depatment. This is a 1972' pan... Ecotec conversion.

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:08 pm

Thanks very informative.
Two questions.
Do you know why you had to cut the input shaft? Is the bell housing shallower?
Stingray250 wrote:
1. Cut the input shaft... 0.50" on the 002.

What did you mean by this line? Can you elaborate?
Stingray250 wrote:
2. 72' t/o bearing, press plate and clutch disc.

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:17 pm

Input shaft is actually longer I believe... bell housing depth should be the same... the 72' comment was because I utilized the 72' clutch assembly pressure plate and t/o bearing... I used a stage 2 pressplate and organic stock disc. If I do over abuse it, the weak link is the clutch disc... cheap as hell to replace vs a new trans or axle shaft!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:21 pm

Stingray250 wrote: Input shaft is actually longer I believe... bell housing depth should be the same... the 72' comment was because I utilized the 72' clutch assembly pressure plate and t/o bearing... I used a stage 2 pressplate and organic stock disc. If I do over abuse it, the weak link is the clutch disc... cheap as hell to replace vs a new trans or axle shaft!

Oh ok on the 72' comment I have 74 bug clutch, pressure plate, and I assume the t\o bearing is on my 002 trans. I still have my bug trans if I should steal from it.

Sorry if I'm hijacking. I felt as if OP would want to ask these questions anyway.

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:30 pm

Am I measuring wrong? I show the bus input shaft to only be about 1/8" longer.

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:32 pm

Throw out bearing differences

(Cleaner one is the 74' bug one )

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:49 pm

I know you need to trim the 091 shaft to fit but as far as 002 its should be fine uncut

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:36 pm

Thanks,

And here is the 74' starter bolted up to the 002 trans.

Hope these pictures help ekacpuc

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:33 pm

Thanks for all your help!

BTW I'm gonna use a 10 degree mount. Looks like the better way.

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:29 am

Yeah I think most baja guys do that. I don't have a tunnel to worry about.

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:54 am

BTW found this. Very helpful
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=148307

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:12 pm

So I have dual kadrons. As is there isn't very much room for the air filter. What will happen when I got to the ten degree mount? Will I have to cut some metal away to clear the filters? Or shorter elements?

Greg