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Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:33 pm

What is the difference between a 64 Notchback E and a 64 Notchback? What did the E model have that was different?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:52 pm

Notchlover wrote: What is the difference between a 64 Notchback E and a 64 Notchback? What did the E model have that was different?

Do you mean, Notchback 1500S or Notchback 1500N?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:58 pm

The E model had the same chrome trim and interior as the S , but had a single carb motor.

Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:38 pm

ibjack wrote: The E model had the same chrome trim and interior as the S , but had a single carb motor.

Right! The "E" in this case stood for 'Economy'. IIRC this was a Canada thing. It's a rare car.

Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:23 pm

So what you are saying is that the only difference is the E has one carb and the S has duals. Did the S stand for "Sport"? Mine is a 1964 and has the push button dash with the dual carbed motor so I would assume mine is an S. Thanks for your responses.

Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:33 pm

62-63 T3s had a standard flat top piston 1500cc motor. It used a side draft single carb aplication. In 1964 the dual carb, dohm topped higher compression motor came out and was fitted to the S for 64-65. In certain markets like Canada for sure the T3 was offered in 3 flavors-a N (basic no frills and or trim with the old 1500cc side draft motor (people call 61-63s Ns due to their lack of belt line chrome), an E which was the new snazzy dressed up body and interior choices BUT with the old 1500cc side draft motor (what you have Im assuming?) and the S-the top of the line dual carb 1500cc higher compression dohmed top piston motor.

Geek Fax=In 1964 a S model T34 ghia was the fastest car VW had produced.

**EDIT sorry just read you have a dual carb motor.

Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:47 pm

Ok, I think I have it straight and mine is a 1964 1500S. I will post some pictures in the Gallery next week and you all can correct me if I'm mistaken. It's missing the hood Chrome and the license plate light cover and the VW 1500 letters over the license plate light cover. If and of you have any of those I'd like to talk turkey as I'd like to replace those items.

Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:52 pm

Notchlover wrote: So what you are saying is that the only difference is the E has one carb and the S has duals. Did the S stand for "Sport"? Mine is a 1964 and has the push button dash with the dual carbed motor so I would assume mine is an S. Thanks for your responses.

"S"= Super- high compression 1500 engine with domed pistons, dual carbs, deluxe high trim level.

"N"= Normal, single carb 1500 with flat lower compression pistons, minimal trim.

"E"= Economy- "S" body with deluxe trim with an "N" low compression single carb engine.

That's the Reader's Digest Condensed version.

The three levels were 1964- 1965 models only. Pre 1964, there was only a '1500'. Post 1965, there was a "Standard" and a "Deluxe". The standard was sometimes referred to as an "A". The Standard was, as we're fond of saying today, the "new Normal", while the Deluxe was the new S. Beginning in 1968, the "E" badging was revived in non North American markets, but this "E" stood for "Einspritzung", or fuel injection.

Model years began on 1. August of the previous calendar year; e.g., the 1963 model year began on 1. August 1962, and ended in mid July of 1963. German trade guild rules mandated a 2 week vacation for assembly workers, so the assembly line people took vacation the last two weeks of July, and the machinists would use that time to retrofit stampers and other equipment for the next year's model.

Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:16 pm

Excellent information and much appreciated fellow VW enthusiasts. There is so much history behind the different VW models and it's great learning new stuff.

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:52 am

Tram wrote: Model years began on 1. August of the previous calendar year; e.g., the 1963 model year began on 1. August 1962, and ended in mid July of 1963.

Actually, according to VW's Progressive Refinements, the 1963 Model Year began on October 1, 1962 with Chassis VIN 0 095 100. Notable changes were the front hood emblem and the all white shift knob. The large decklid "1500" script wasn't phased out until November 23 of the same year (0 123 140). This was the only Model Year exception to the rule.

Bob

Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:07 am

Gizmobob wrote: Tram wrote: Model years began on 1. August of the previous calendar year; e.g., the 1963 model year began on 1. August 1962, and ended in mid July of 1963.

Actually, according to VW's Progressive Refinements, the 1963 Model Year began on October 1, 1962 with Chassis VIN 0 095 100. Notable changes were the front hood emblem and the all white shift knob. The large decklid "1500" script wasn't phased out until November 23 of the same year (0 123 140). This was the only Model Year exception to the rule.

Bob

Here's a chart I made from that book, it's different than what is stated above:

Even though it is listed in this book, it has still been the subject of some debate.

Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:07 pm

I wonder why the German market gets a later start date?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:07 pm

The 1500 was new and they wanted to supply the overseas market first, in case of any shortages.
Everyone knew Germans would buy it.

**the above is a total guess. :)

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:59 pm

EverettB wrote: The 1500 was new and they wanted to supply the overseas market first, in case of any shortages.
Everyone knew Germans would buy it.

**the above is a total guess. :)

Actually, that might not be not far off.

German car companies were known to "use up" stocks of old parts on home market cars. Maybe in this case they had a lot of 1962 car orders left in the hopper.

Tue May 22, 2012 6:50 pm

I think I may have an E, lower script is missing so, I'm not certain.

If so, I think another unique feature was the deluxe trim, same as an S, but without side marker lights.

Tue May 22, 2012 9:20 pm

bobnorman wrote: I think I may have an E, lower script is missing so, I'm not certain.

If so, I think another unique feature was the deluxe trim, same as an S, but without side marker lights. Sidemarkers were market dependent, not model dependent.

Tue May 22, 2012 9:44 pm

Canada also had the 1500TS
I'd have to check with other TS owners, but my car came with all S trim but no side markers, whereas every other "S" I have owned (here is canada) has had side marker lights. This might just be coincidence.

Wed May 23, 2012 5:09 am

Yes, every S I've seen has had side markers as well. As I said, mine has all the S gear, but no side markers. So, it could be a TS as well as an E? I guess without a birth certificate I won't know.

Here is the missing badge holes. Think the pegs on your TS badge would line up?

Wed May 23, 2012 6:50 am

Looks like it was an "S" to me. You can just make out the sun fading around it.

Wed May 23, 2012 7:28 am

Yeah, I thought so too Bob, but as far as I recall, there is a single carb engine (I'm 200 miles from the car right now). There is also a gas heater and no side markers.

I found an E badge picture in the archives, and overlaid it semi-transparent (using the "1500") to see if the holes line up. They do, but I supect the holes for the S were the same as well. There is a little rust spot though that lines up with where the lower part of the E would end. As I said above, I think I might need (another!) birth certificate to find out what I have here.