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Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:44 pm

With oil burning getting on the embarrassing side I'm thinking a freshen up. I'm thinking just rebuild to stock at the moment - and later down the track build something a lot bigger.

So - my question is though.. If I was to hot it ever so slightly.. perhaps a cam or better flowing heads, will the stock injection and ECU put up with it?
If not then I will stick with all stock parts.

Can we get a list going of what is possible - even perhaps a 1641 kit without having to change the stock injection setup.

Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:02 pm

If you want the stock injection to work don't make any mods to the engine mechanicals. Keep stock displacement, stock cam, stock heads ect.

Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:03 pm

Salty wrote: With oil burning getting on the embarrassing side I'm thinking a freshen up. I'm thinking just rebuild to stock at the moment - and later down the track build something a lot bigger.

So - my question is though.. If I was to hot it ever so slightly.. perhaps a cam or better flowing heads, will the stock injection and ECU put up with it?
If not then I will stick with all stock parts.

Can we get a list going of what is possible - even perhaps a 1641 kit without having to change the stock injection setup.

Anything other than a stock cam will render your FI useless. I think you should just stick with stock.

Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:00 pm

Build it big and nasty, then upgrade to MS and run some ITB's, either GSXR's like me or any of the arious IDF pattern ones, whooohooo!

Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:04 pm

supaninja wrote: Build it big and nasty, then upgrade to MS and run some ITB's, either GSXR's like me or any of the arious IDF pattern ones, whooohooo!

I've been thinking about the Jenvey DCNF TB's, for a big nasty T4 MS build.. Someday...

But to the OP, stock is the way to go if you can. Keep your FI if it's already there.

Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:05 pm

I got a set of forged 103mm p/c's sitting in my storage shed ;)

Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:08 pm

Stock it is. I'd rather sell this engine down the track as a great runner. The fuel injected 3s are rare here in oz.
Then will be a 1916 with CB quick tune as a buildHow's the notice.. Desh is in NZ and I'm going to a friends. Cheers though next year.

Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:29 pm

Stock displacement. Stock valves.

That doesn't mean stock engine. Counter weighted crank, clean-up ports and combustion chambers, balanced internals, .040" total deck height. Build it right and it will be more fun and efficient.

Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:13 am

Now yhat's a good reply. I was thinking port and polish.. Ok any more info or links

Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:21 am

Any change to VE or compression ratio will upset the stock engine map. Just remember that a stock FI will always out perform stock carbs and be happy with that. If you want more power you need to re-map you engine + the stock system wont go over 6000RPM so counter weighted crank is a waste of time and money.

Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:15 am

The counter weighted crank is never a waste of money for proper Balance!

Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:18 am

Mike Fisher wrote: The counter weighted crank is never a waste of money for proper Balance!

Yup. My 71 Notch got a counter weighed crank, and that engine was really smooth. I loved it. And with the FI, it was a joy to drive. There's nothing wrong with doing it, other than the extra expense. :wink:

Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:44 pm

yeh fair play ill cop that, but I was talking about performance + the stock cranck is a tough old thing so long as you dont rev it too hard :idea:

Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:51 pm

Food for thought. Think I might just freshen with a top end rebuild kit. Check everything once apart. Thanks

Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:17 pm

Salty wrote: With oil burning getting on the embarrassing side I'm thinking a freshen up. I'm thinking just rebuild to stock at the moment - and later down the track build something a lot bigger.

So - my question is though.. If I was to hot it ever so slightly.. perhaps a cam or better flowing heads, will the stock injection and ECU put up with it?
If not then I will stick with all stock parts.

Can we get a list going of what is possible - even perhaps a 1641 kit without having to change the stock injection setup.

type 4 with aftermarket EFI or suby 8)

throw that stock engine in the bin ya.

Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:32 pm

Willo357 wrote: yeh fair play ill cop that, but I was talking about performance + the stock cranck is a tough old thing so long as you dont rev it too hard :idea:

We're lucky enough to have Jose at DPR Machine who rebuilds OE German cranks into counter-weighted balanced cranks. The only way to win at the iron triangle- they are fast, reliable, and cheap! :D

Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:17 pm

rosevillain wrote: Willo357 wrote: yeh fair play ill cop that, but I was talking about performance + the stock cranck is a tough old thing so long as you dont rev it too hard :idea:

We're lucky enough to have Jose at DPR Machine who rebuilds OE German cranks into counter-weighted balanced cranks. The only way to win at the iron triangle- they are fast, reliable, and cheap! :D

+1 DRP are the best for VW cranks .

Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:07 am

It's gonna happen Vlad - but right now I just need it to run for 12 months before spending the big bucks

Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:04 am

Salty wrote: It's gonna happen Vlad - but right now I just need it to run for 12 months before spending the big bucks

lol can't believe i am about to say this..... band aid it for now! after all its just a type 1 engine :lol:

You won't regret the alternative engines :) we are talking about conversion yeah? I hope so.

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:09 am

What, macgyver?
Nah, I am a bit OCD about problems - rather fix it proper or get a good runner to change over. I'm prob going to stay type 1 - Penrose build