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Bassyaks Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:08 pm

Has anyone had any experiences with this company Waterboxer Inc. from N.C. the prices are reasonable and the core program looks better than the others
http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-22l-vanagon-performance-engine

Thanks Steve

Jake de Villiers Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:17 pm

They must be truly amazing:

"In Automatic or Stickshift Vanagons it is smooth and powerful cruising at 85 MPH is effortless... " ;)

westyventures Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:23 pm

I believe this is just another attempt by Ken Morgan (Jake, et al) to fool people into believing there is a new better rebuild option available. Do some checking to be sure...but otherwise AVOID!

Bassyaks Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:24 pm

please explain who's Ken Morgan

westyventures Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:37 pm

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...p;start=80

and

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=475554&highlight=ken+morgan

Bassyaks Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:13 pm

Damn, Thanks for the warning, I would love a 2.5 GW but can't handle warranty guide lines with rebuilding the cooling system which is fine.

Thanks Steve

mwsnow Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:20 pm

Yep, this one has SCAM written all over it

The whois data for waterboxer.com is private.

http://www.waterboxer.com/contact-us gives the following information:

120 Century West Ct. Unit 695
Cary, NC. 27513
Phone: 919-279-3338
Email: [email protected]

Neither Google nor MapQuest can find this address, or even the street.
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Plugging the phone number into Google leads to here:

http://outletengines.com/

with this contact info:

Street Address: 120 Centrewest Court Suite 692
Cary, NC, 27513
Phone: 919-279-3338
Email: [email protected]
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The internet Whois database links outletengines.com to:

Culbreth, Edric [email protected]
outlettechnologies
2325 sanderford rd
raleigh, North Carolina 27610
United States

BBB complaint here:
http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews...#breakdown

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BEWARE :!:

Ahwahnee Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:35 pm

Also doing business as:

http://outletengines.com/

I don't see a connection to Ken Morgan/Jake Lake nor is it necessarily a scam... but it is at this point an unknown quantity in the biggest $$$ decision a van owner makes.

Engine rebuild is not an area I would care to roll the dice on.

D Clymer Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:02 pm

I just looked at the website. This is definitely another Ken Morgan/Jake Lake alias business. The "hand planked" rods and "euro Syncro cam" are a dead giveaway. Steer clear! As strange as it may seem, the only rebuilt WBX engines that are a known quantity (known to be good) are Vanistan, Go Westy, and the guy that built Bob Donalds' engines. I would stick with those if you choose to stick with a WBX.

D

Ahwahnee Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:19 am

Good catch on the "hand planked".

I've done that to salmon but wouldn't know where to begin on a con rod.

onwardtothestars Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:10 pm

I did a Whois on waterboxer.com once when I first found it and it was registered to ken Morgan. Now it appears to have been registered privately.

onwardtothestars Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:15 pm

http://web.archive.org/web/20110207104015/http://waterboxer.com/

mwsnow Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:38 pm

This is another front to the same business:

http://www.jlpengines.com/contact-us

westyventures Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:46 pm

Interesting in that the [corrected] address is a storage facility. Not the first time he's 'run a business' from a storage facility.
http://www.usstoragesearch.com/cary-self-storage/north-carolina-self-storage/facility-34472/member/

joseph928 Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:49 pm

Bassyaks wrote: Has anyone had any experiences with this company Waterboxer Inc. from N.C. the prices are reasonable and the core program looks better than the others
http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-22l-vanagon-performance-engine

Thanks Steve :bay_blue: Why would anyone with any sense not be able to pay $600.00 more and get a ten cent engine or a Go Westy , and deal with a known quantity. You get what you pay for! :D

onwardtothestars Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:15 pm

westyventures wrote: Interesting in that the [corrected] address is a storage facility. Not the first time he's 'run a business' from a storage facility.
http://www.usstoragesearch.com/cary-self-storage/north-carolina-self-storage/facility-34472/member/

Funny, storage units were always kens favorite places to set up shop.

Lol yep, 'run a business'

I helped him move into one here in Colorado once, oh those were the days.

insyncro Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:54 pm

joseph928 wrote: Bassyaks wrote: Has anyone had any experiences with this company Waterboxer Inc. from N.C. the prices are reasonable and the core program looks better than the others
http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-22l-vanagon-performance-engine

Thanks Steve :bay_blue: Why would anyone with any sense not be able to pay $600.00 more and get a ten cent engine or a Go Westy , and deal with a known quantity. You get what you pay for! :D

$600 more for a Vanistan rebuild.....umm, no brainer :idea:

There is an ass for every seat and the cheap seats fill up fast :lol:

tencentlife Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:32 am

D Clymer wrote: This is definitely another Ken Morgan/Jake Lake alias business. The "hand planked" rods and "euro Syncro cam" are a dead giveaway. Steer clear!

"Hand-planked": that's a moving-target-federal-wire-fraudster-known-as-Ken Morgan trademarked phrase, that's for sure. What does it mean, that he whacks 'em with a board or something? And there was no "Syncro" cam that I was ever aware of, euro or non. It's pure bullshit from morning to night, and night comes lonely at the storage locker.

Quote: As strange as it may seem, the only rebuilt WBX engines that are a known quantity (known to be good) are Vanistan, Go Westy, and the guy that built Bob Donalds' engines. I would stick with those if you choose to stick with a WBX.

You forgot Rocky Jennings.

[email protected] Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:36 am

there will be a never ending line of suckers to buy something if you claim it's "just as good only 20% cheaper", that's how this guy stays in business.....

People can't help themselves when they perceive a "deal"....

Some do it even when they know better.

Escorial Syncro Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:15 am

[email protected] wrote: there will be a never ending line of suckers to buy something if you claim it's "just as good only 20% cheaper", that's how this guy stays in business.....

People can't help themselves when they perceive a "deal"....

Some do it even when they know better.

X2...and this goes for people not just buying from this guy, but those selling to him. Before I knew KM was Jake Lake I responded to a Craigslist ad for Vanagon stuff. I loaded up 4 waterboxers in my van to do some trading, sounded so good. When I arrived at a storage facility and a giant guy with a stitched-on name tag saying "Ken" on his shirt appeared, I told him I didn't appreciate his tactics and left. Can't believe he's still out there. Best way to stop the pusher is to cut off his supply.



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