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Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:02 am

Does anyone know where I can buy a fuel pump for a FI Type 3?

I tried ISP West and they don't have one.

Thanks

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:18 am

You can use a common Airtex 2000 pump. Just plug off the "return" line that your original fuel pump used and it'll work fine.

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:37 am

If your driving your FI Injected as a daily than your best off going as Tram said with the Airtex set-up, if you break down you can get one at about any FLAPS.
If you want an original then you will have to get one rebuilt from [email protected]
or a very expensive remanufacture from www.fuelinjectioncorp.com
Don't buy one advertised as "working when pulled from car", you'll end up rebuilding.

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:58 am

You can use the Airtex E2000 pump listed above, or the Precision pump equivalent (for the E2000 numbered 85 Ford Ranger frame rail pump) from O'Reilly's, that sells for 85.99. If you go that route, you'll need to trim some of the pad off, so it will fit into the Bosch pump bracket.

Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:33 pm

I just installed an E2000 this evening in my 73 Fasty with good results. The hardest thing about the install was determining where to mount it (my stock mount was pretty rusty and the rubber mounts broke when I tried to remove that plate).

Best part was ordering it last night from Amazon for around $70 and having it arrive the next day. Started the Fasty for the first time in 3 years tonight...great to hear it purr :-)

Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:17 am

Typ3nut wrote: If your driving your FI Injected as a daily than your best off going as Tram said with the Airtex set-up, if you break down you can get one at about any FLAPS.
If you want an original then you will have to get one rebuilt from [email protected]
or a very expensive remanufacture from www.fuelinjectioncorp.com
Don't buy one advertised as "working when pulled from car", you'll end up rebuilding.

$699 or $799 if you don't have a core! What can justify that price? And $263 ($363 without a core) for a MAP sensor? That's some racket to get into.

Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:52 am

$699 or $799 if you don't have a core! What can justify that price? And $263 ($363 without a core) for a MAP sensor? That's some racket to get into.[/quote]

Prices for those that must have original parts but there's always alternatives.
Makes those NOS parts or good used prices seem cheap.

Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:03 am

Tram just put a Type 4 pump on my Type 3. :!:

Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:08 am

Mike Fisher wrote: Tram just put a Type 4 pump on my Type 3. :!:

If its D-jet...its the same pump. There are a few differences in, D-jet pumps....early to late relief valve and outlet, style.....there was a short motor length pump that part #s suggest may have been an Opel or BMW 3.O CSI application....but they are effectively all same....Ray

Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:13 pm

D/A/N wrote: Typ3nut wrote: If your driving your FI Injected as a daily than your best off going as Tram said with the Airtex set-up, if you break down you can get one at about any FLAPS.
If you want an original then you will have to get one rebuilt from [email protected]
or a very expensive remanufacture from www.fuelinjectioncorp.com
Don't buy one advertised as "working when pulled from car", you'll end up rebuilding.

$699 or $799 if you don't have a core! What can justify that price? And $263 ($363 without a core) for a MAP sensor? That's some racket to get into.

Yeah, but those same parts were used on Porsches, which is probably their real market. :shock:

Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:14 pm

Bobnotch wrote: D/A/N wrote: Typ3nut wrote: If your driving your FI Injected as a daily than your best off going as Tram said with the Airtex set-up, if you break down you can get one at about any FLAPS.
If you want an original then you will have to get one rebuilt from [email protected]
or a very expensive remanufacture from www.fuelinjectioncorp.com
Don't buy one advertised as "working when pulled from car", you'll end up rebuilding.

$699 or $799 if you don't have a core! What can justify that price? And $263 ($363 without a core) for a MAP sensor? That's some racket to get into.

Yeah, but those same parts were used on Porsches, which is probably their real market. :shock:

I've heard that Porsche folks think that if a part doesn't cost $1000 or more then it won't work right on their car. I guess this is proof?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:39 pm

D/A/N wrote: Bobnotch wrote: D/A/N wrote: Typ3nut wrote: If your driving your FI Injected as a daily than your best off going as Tram said with the Airtex set-up, if you break down you can get one at about any FLAPS.
If you want an original then you will have to get one rebuilt from [email protected]
or a very expensive remanufacture from www.fuelinjectioncorp.com
Don't buy one advertised as "working when pulled from car", you'll end up rebuilding.

$699 or $799 if you don't have a core! What can justify that price? And $263 ($363 without a core) for a MAP sensor? That's some racket to get into.

Yeah, but those same parts were used on Porsches, which is probably their real market. :shock:

I've heard that Porsche folks think that if a part doesn't cost $1000 or more then it won't work right on their car. I guess this is proof?

I had some of this, discussion a little over a week ago. The problem is that many 914 owners just do no research at all on VWs. They dont know the term type 4 engine. To most 914 newbies....its a 914 engine. If they hear about a type 4.....they are under the belief that its a vw engine loosely based on the 914 engine and that theirs must be very different or higher tolerance.
The person I was conversing with was very sceptical that there could be much related....after all....one is VW and one is Porsche. There must be a qualitative difference in their mind.

The funny part about MPS's....is that the much sought after 039 for the 2.0 914 is the exact part as the E series for the 411 and 412. It simply has a different adjustment.

The E series mps in my 412 has the bosch #, the VW # and the Porsche #. A porsche sold versikn has only the 039 Porsche part #.
These guys will go out of their way to buy Porsche part # only because they think that is all that fits.
Ray

Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:07 am

Right on, Ray -- and it works the other way too. I can't count how many times I've heard people say, "My buddy had a VW van, and that thing had a Porsche engine in it!"

Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:04 pm

Tram wrote: You can use a common Airtex 2000 pump. Just plug off the "return" line that your original fuel pump used and it'll work fine.

Hey all-

I'm going to throw an Airtex pump on my car this week and was just curious what you lose if anything by 'plugging off' the return line. What is that line normally there for (it has a purpose right?) and what are we doing exactly by just plugging it off and not using it?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but just seems strange.

Thanks!
Jason

Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:43 pm

When the unused fuel comes back from the engine, part of it is routed to the pump and the rest goes to the tank. VW did this to ensure the pump had a sufficient supply of fuel so adequate pressure could be maintained in the system. This turned out not to be necessary, so most of us here (including me) just run the return line straight back to the tank.

You can keep your original set-up if you wish; it's just more connections to make.

Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:44 pm

Donnie strickland wrote: When the unused fuel comes back from the engine, part of it is routed to the pump and the rest goes to the tank. VW did this to ensure the pump had a sufficient supply of fuel so adequate pressure could be maintained in the system. This turned out not to be necessary, so most of us here (including me) just run the return line straight back to the tank.

Great, thanks Donnie.

Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:53 pm

raygreenwood wrote: Mike Fisher wrote: Tram just put a Type 4 pump on my Type 3. :!:

If its D-jet...its the same pump. There are a few differences in, D-jet pumps....early to late relief valve and outlet, style.....there was a short motor length pump that part #s suggest may have been an Opel or BMW 3.O CSI application....but they are effectively all same....Ray

It was an L-jet pump, just for clarification.

Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:53 pm

JeeJeeJason wrote: Tram wrote: You can use a common Airtex 2000 pump. Just plug off the "return" line that your original fuel pump used and it'll work fine.

Hey all-

I'm going to throw an Airtex pump on my car this week and was just curious what you lose if anything by 'plugging off' the return line. What is that line normally there for (it has a purpose right?) and what are we doing exactly by just plugging it off and not using it?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but just seems strange.

Thanks!
Jason

Just a point of careful clarification. ...you are not plugging the return line from the engine.
in your original set up.....the return line came from the engine to a "Y" fitting. One leg of that Y went to thr pump...and the other leg went to the fuel tank return nipple.

Plug the leg of the Y that went to the pump and leave the other one going to the tank. Ray

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:49 pm

raygreenwood wrote: JeeJeeJason wrote: Tram wrote: You can use a common Airtex 2000 pump. Just plug off the "return" line that your original fuel pump used and it'll work fine.

Hey all-

I'm going to throw an Airtex pump on my car this week and was just curious what you lose if anything by 'plugging off' the return line. What is that line normally there for (it has a purpose right?) and what are we doing exactly by just plugging it off and not using it?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but just seems strange.

Thanks!
Jason

Just a point of careful clarification. ...you are not plugging the return line from the engine.

Plug the leg of the Y that went to the pump and leave the other one going to the tank. Ray

Yes, when I swapped in the Airtex pump into my 71 Notch, I just plugged the return line from the pump side of the "Y" of the return line. I did that, as I had most of a tank of fuel, when the Bosch pump quit. At the time, I didn't really want to drain the fuel tank, and working quickly, I only got a small "gas bath" from that hose. I already had the main feed hose pinched off with my fuel hose clamp. A couple of months later, I drained the fuel tank, and removed the "Y" fitting, and used a longer hose and ran it directly to the fuel tank.

Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:28 pm

Bobnotch wrote: raygreenwood wrote: JeeJeeJason wrote: Tram wrote: You can use a common Airtex 2000 pump. Just plug off the "return" line that your original fuel pump used and it'll work fine.

Hey all-

I'm going to throw an Airtex pump on my car this week and was just curious what you lose if anything by 'plugging off' the return line. What is that line normally there for (it has a purpose right?) and what are we doing exactly by just plugging it off and not using it?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but just seems strange.

Thanks!
Jason

Just a point of careful clarification. ...you are not plugging the return line from the engine.

Plug the leg of the Y that went to the pump and leave the other one going to the tank. Ray

Yes, when I swapped in the Airtex pump into my 71 Notch, I just plugged the return line from the pump side of the "Y" of the return line. I did that, as I had most of a tank of fuel, when the Bosch pump quit. At the time, I didn't really want to drain the fuel tank, and working quickly, I only got a small "gas bath" from that hose. I already had the main feed hose pinched off with my fuel hose clamp. A couple of months later, I drained the fuel tank, and removed the "Y" fitting, and used a longer hose and ran it directly to the fuel tank.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification fellas.