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Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:16 am

I have decided it’s time to possible venture into a new world for me which is a crank trigger system. I have been doing a ton of reading but still having a hard time getting a good grasp on this. I’m trying to put together a budget system to get my feet wet and see if this is a good move for me. I thinking I’m going to use the Megajolt for a controller. Its inexpensive, and lets me learn to see if I want to move to EFI. I can always easily sell it and move up to a Megasquirt. This is a brand new motor I’m putting together so it’s the perfect time. Heres what I am thinking so please jump in here anytime with suggestions.

Megajolt Controller
Standard crank trigger package (thedubshop) Send my Jaycee pulley to him to mount trigger wheel.
Hex distributor plug
Coil on Plug (thedubshop) Can I use these instead of ING-4 coil and will these wire directly to controller?

This is as much as I know so far and have lots of questions. I think going MAP is best for me so I will need to install Vacuum ports in the manifolds as I understand. Where is the best spot for this and what size ports?

Any and all help is appreciated.

Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:47 am

If your going to go crank trigger than you should just get a megasquirt , your only a few sensors away for F.I. and trust me you will never look back ... as long as you have the skills and understand F.I . it shouldnt be a problem .. megasquirt support is excelent ..

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:28 am

raul arrese wrote: If your going to go crank trigger than you should just get a megasquirt , your only a few sensors away for F.I. and trust me you will never look back ... as long as you have the skills and understand F.I . it shouldnt be a problem .. megasquirt support is excelent ..

What all would I need to add the fuel injection.
Manifolds
Fuel Injectors
Wiring Harness

What else?

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:37 am

vwnutt wrote: raul arrese wrote: If your going to go crank trigger than you should just get a megasquirt , your only a few sensors away for F.I. and trust me you will never look back ... as long as you have the skills and understand F.I . it shouldnt be a problem .. megasquirt support is excelent ..

What all would I need to add the fuel injection.
Manifolds
Fuel Injectors
Wiring Harness

What else?

Throttle bodies
Fuel rails
Fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Line for return to tank...
Throttle Position Sensor (TPS)
Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor (MAP)
Idle Air Solenoid or IAC (Idle air controller)
Oxygen Sensor (in exhaust)

A whole basket of miscellaneous stuff...

And about 100 hours of reading...

http://megasquirt.info/educational/

Guys over here are deeper into MS than samba kids...

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewforum.php?f=23&sid=69530a5c955ff9d56414f5e7b87719b6

Dale

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:38 am

i agree with what raul said. just go megasquirt and even if you dont go f.i. soon or ever, you can still have oil temp, oil pressure,fuel pressure,manifold pressure , o2 sensor.that is besides the crank fire ignition! also you can download a program to your cellphone to keep an eye on things and tune when needed. you will not get any of these things with megajolt.and as an added bonus you do it in steps or whenever you want.

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:51 am

All of the above is great advice , It just depends on how creative you want to get , you can run a single T.B, in the middle or dual on the sides , shit you can even put a T.P. sensor on a carb and make it work .. Anything and everything is possible with a megasquirt .. short on $$$ just take a trip to the junk yard ... sensors and plugs everywhere ..

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:55 am

That's good Dale thanks. With that I can start looking and build a parts list and see if I want to pursue the fuel injection. It looks like if I switch to the Megasquirt the MS2 should suit my needs, correct?

Looking on Mario's website there's about a dozen add ons. What do I need to get me started? Some of the options are obvious and some I'm not really sure what they do.

Back to the question at hand for the crank trigger.

Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:00 am

vwnutt wrote: That's good Dale thanks. With that I can start looking and build a parts list and see if I want to pursue the fuel injection. It looks like if I switch to the Megasquirt the MS2 should suit my needs, correct?

Looking on Mario's website there's about a dozen add ons. What do I need to get me started? Some of the options are obvious and some I'm not really sure what they do.

Back to the question at hand for the crank trigger.
Talk to Mario, he won't lead you astray

Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:16 am

Get a Ver. 3.0 board and you can start with an MS-1 to save $100.00
That will run your ignition only for the time being.

I started out with a Ver. 2.2 board and MS-1 used...found a used crank trigger pulley, found a VR sensor, coil and plug wires from a Ford escort and ran ignition only for 2 years.
I think I had about $350.00 into it.
I did start out with EDIS but direct fire is well worth it. You can go with a single dual coil as wasted spark to keep it simple until ready to upgrade from carbs.
I used the EDIS coil since I already had it but there are others that will work just as well and have coil ends that are more common. Of course if you have an EDIS coil you can buy a set of 97 Ford F-150 5.4L V-8 wires and they have almost every length you could need to make something work.

I then started gathering parts for FI and swapped over after 2 years.
Best thing I ever did.

I have since upgraded to a Ver. 3.0 board and MS-2 with a bunch of the options like direct fire coil, boost control, launch control, rev limit and table switching.
I sold the Ver. 2.2 MS-1.

You can start with a basic setup and all you have to do is either add the extras later or if like me...send it to Mario and have him add them.

Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:31 am

That's some good info Clonebug and I appreciate that. I'll be honest, I need all the help I can get with this cause like I said earlier, I'm having a hard time for some reason getting my head wrapped around this. I sent Mario an email earlier so I'm hoping he'll get back to me soon here.

I like the approach you took and I think that will work well for me also. It helps stretch the burden on the wallet out a little bit. I have some Webers that I have already had gone through and set up for this motor that I can use for now while I'm researching the fuel injection. I still haven't recovered from the long block build but I'm going now and I don't want to stop.

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:18 am

vwnutt wrote: That's some good info Clonebug and I appreciate that. I'll be honest, I need all the help I can get with this cause like I said earlier, I'm having a hard time for some reason getting my head wrapped around this. I sent Mario an email earlier so I'm hoping he'll get back to me soon here.

I like the approach you took and I think that will work well for me also. It helps stretch the burden on the wallet out a little bit. I have some Webers that I have already had gone through and set up for this motor that I can use for now while I'm researching the fuel injection. I still haven't recovered from the long block build but I'm going now and I don't want to stop.

I have nothing but good to say about Mario.

Since I had little to no experience soldering, I bought my first Ver, 2.2 MS-1 from him used and he added the options I needed plus sold me the IAT and CLT sensors along with a simple direct plug in harness to the MS unit.
It was a power wire, ground wire, PIP and SAW wires, 2 wires for CLT, 2 wires for IAT and one wire for the AFR analog output to ECU.
Very simple and I could log everything I need to run a carb system with a blow through turbo. All I had to do was try to tune the fuel to work with boost.
It is still in my build page if you want to see the fun I had.

I still have a MS-1 ECU if you want to buy it. It came with my Ver. 3.0 board but I upgraded to MS-2.
New they are $35.00 plus shipping. PM me for a shipped price if interested.
It is just the ECU brain.

Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:07 pm

Just to update the post I spoke with Mario today at The Dub Shop and order the crank trigger parts and the Megasquirt. Mario was extremely helpful and understanding that this is all new to me and took the time to explain a lot of things to me that weren't really clear. Not that I fully understand all this yet, but at least more of it is starting to make sense now. He's putting a price together on a kit for me and it looks like I'm going fuel injected.

Thanks everyone for the input and help. Its all much appreciated.

Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:57 pm

vwnutt wrote: Just to update the post I spoke with Mario today at The Dub Shop and order the crank trigger parts and the Megasquirt. Mario was extremely helpful and understanding that this is all new to me and took the time to explain a lot of things to me that weren't really clear. Not that I fully understand all this yet, but at least more of it is starting to make sense now. He's putting a price together on a kit for me and it looks like I'm going fuel injected.

Thanks everyone for the input and help. Its all much appreciated.

There are lots of ways to go FI but you picked one of the best ways.
Mario will stand behind what he sells and you will be able to learn from him.

You can start with ignition only or go all the way. If you have carbs already you could stay with them while you figure out the ignition part.

The best thing for me with FI was I have never had to smell gas on my hands since I went to FI. I can adjust fuel and ignition with a few clicks of the buttons on a laptop.

Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:20 pm

Dale M. wrote: vwnutt wrote: raul arrese wrote: If your going to go crank trigger than you should just get a megasquirt , your only a few sensors away for F.I. and trust me you will never look back ... as long as you have the skills and understand F.I . it shouldnt be a problem .. megasquirt support is excelent ..

What all would I need to add the fuel injection.
Manifolds
Fuel Injectors
Wiring Harness

What else?

Throttle bodies
Fuel rails
Fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Line for return to tank...
Throttle Position Sensor (TPS)
Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor (MAP)
Idle Air Solenoid or IAC (Idle air controller)
Oxygen Sensor (in exhaust)

A whole basket of miscellaneous stuff...

And about 100 hours of reading...

http://megasquirt.info/educational/

Guys over here are deeper into MS than samba kids...

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewforum.php?f=23&sid=69530a5c955ff9d56414f5e7b87719b6

Dale

tps will usually come with throttle bodies
map sensor will be in the ms's unit
iac is not needed, it is nice to have but not needed
o2 also is not needed but nice to have
Mario at the dub shop is a wealth of info, listen to him and not keyboard jockeys that just have high post counts

Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:07 am

Mario knows his stuff on the subject and could also set you up with a tune that will get you running if needed,

I've run mega squirt 1 2.2 with EDIS (ford ignition system) for a couple years with my stock carb and 1200 and now 2110.

Now adding throttle bodies and injectors, wiring those in and I'll be EFI....

Once setup it's a solid setup, just takes a bit of tweaking at first but well worth it, just like rejetting a carb but on a laptop ;)

Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:26 am

I was going to just do the crank trigger at first but after talking with him for awhile it just didn't really make a lot of sense to not do it all now. My intention was to start with the crank trigger and use the Webers I have to get the motor running. This would give me the opportunity to get myself familiar with the megasquirt software and be a little bit prepared. We both came to the agreement that since the body is off the car and everything is right there and easily accessible to just do it all now. The motor is still basically at long block state so it just made sense. I got to say, I'm pretty stoked but still quite nervous. In my old age my brain doesn't comprehend things like it use to. Its wonderful to have these forums and the wealth of knowledge here to get help and guidance.

Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:59 am

vwnutt wrote: I was going to just do the crank trigger at first but after talking with him for awhile it just didn't really make a lot of sense to not do it all now. My intention was to start with the crank trigger and use the Webers I have to get the motor running. This would give me the opportunity to get myself familiar with the megasquirt software and be a little bit prepared. We both came to the agreement that since the body is off the car and everything is right there and easily accessible to just do it all now. The motor is still basically at long block state so it just made sense. I got to say, I'm pretty stoked but still quite nervous. In my old age my brain doesn't comprehend things like it use to. Its wonderful to have these forums and the wealth of knowledge here to get help and guidance.

yeah i wish i had waited longer and done it all at once with the big engine too, once you can tune the ignition so easily and well, the carb just annoyed me lol Mario will look after you!

Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:40 pm

this is what confuses me threads like this and all the EFFORTs to go here and there and all this and that input to save a few dollars and get on your back and grind your knuckles and drive to a parts yard. Then back to the samba to ask fellow people if its going to work then this and that.

Why not just go to CB performance and buy a crank trigger kit cost 500 open the box install it in less than a half hour has a ECU a wiring harness has a trigger wheel a mounting wheel arm pick up etc.The guy inquiring said he already had 350 into his previous set up and wa looking to up grade.The cb kit already has the vacuum ports needed and instruction it is a turn key done deal.

So i again ask a simple question why waste the time to educate to save a 100 bucks when cb has it wrapped up in a cute little package and it is guaranteed to work on all motors be it a 1776 or 2386

Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:55 pm

cb has an ecu and crank trigger for 500? i think you are mistaken! also most of the posters that have responded have done there own work, but if you need an all in one package no guess work get a hold of mario from the dub shop he can set you up with something completely reaady to go. as far as megasquirt i have had it on a 2110,2276,2276 turbo and now it is running my subaru 2.5 turbo so you will save more than 100 bucks..
http://www.thedubshop.net/

Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:04 pm

hello if iam mistaken then go to cb performance and look up part number 2094 it has all the good to make up a crank trigger kit and the box to run it as in the title the poster said HEPL me go CRANK TRIGGER

HE wants to go crank trigger that being the case

would not cb performance kit number 2094

fit the bill faster than anything out there