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Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:45 pm

how many hebmüllers are in the world

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:01 pm

there was 696-750 were made in 48-51.but i dont know the numbers that survived.

Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:58 pm

Year...................# built..............

1948- December..3(prototype)
1949-April............1(production test car)
. . . June............27(The start of production)
. . . July.............28
. . . August.........24
. . . September...17
. . . October.......39
. . . Novermber...104
. . . December....119
1950-January.......125
. . . February......100
. . . March..........77
. . . April............17
1951-August........1
1952-May............12(Now produced by Karman)
. . . December....1
1953-February......1

Total Production 696

This is a breakdown by months by offical VW records. The 750 figure is the original production figure. VW only accounted for 696...But hey who really knows...

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:11 pm

There are about 100 Hebs left.

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:26 pm

There was also one, thats right one Hebmuller coupe that was built in the Wuppertal Factory. One year before the prodution of the type 14A started, the design for a coupe was on the drawing board. By Mid-1949 the design became a reality. It is unclear whether the car was built from scratch or converted from a cabrio, but I have a picture of the coupe in a book I have.

Ther are two stories that say what happened to this car. One being that it was sold, the other that it was written off in an accident with Paul Hebmuller at the wheel. Though it is commonly believed that the last story came about after people learned of the similar Stoll coupe a few years later.

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:09 pm

Damn Trayle..you know your history!! Props man!!

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:05 pm

:wink:

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:18 pm

is that the one that had a small pic in ultra vws a month or so ago that looked like a notchback beetle if a standard beetle looks akin to a fastback? i dont really know how to describe it better than that.

Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:48 pm

Trayle D. the real oggfk wrote: 1948- December 3(prototype)
1949-April 1(production test car)
. . June 27(The start of production)

Sorry Trayle, but there were no Hebs finished in 1948... :cry:

The first Prototype (body nr 14-0002) was finished in January the 8th 1949, second (body nr. 14-0001) was finished in the 21 March 1949, and the third (body nr 14-0003), was finished in June 26th 1949 :D

The body nr. 14-0004 (production testcar), was finished in July 18th, 1949, and the production started already with body number 14-0005 in June 21st, 1949.

The rest of the prouction figures are just about right. :wink:

Body nr. 14-0001

Body nr. 14-0002

Body nr. 14-0003

Here is the Coupé BTW:

Check my and Bruce Brown's site for more facts:
(The Heb History page is not yet complete...)
http://medlem.spray.se/hebster52/
http://www.hebmuller.com/

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:11 am

You may be correct about the prototypes, but VW records show the finish month in december. But then again Hebmuller shows more than 700 built(Hebmuller shows 750), VW only shows 696.... according to my literature....

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:18 am

the one in ultra vws must have been by a different coachbuilder, but it looked nearly identical to the heb coupe. did karmann ever make a coupe along those lines?

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:18 am

Hebs are strainge and hard to figure out. For instance Body # 14-0002 being the first prototype, finished in "January 8th 1949" and fitted with bumpers that werent available until May of 1949.

And Body #14-0001 was fitted with Pre may of 1949 "banana style bumpers".......

I wonder did you mix-up those pictures????

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:22 am

WharfRat wrote: the one in ultra vws must have been by a different coachbuilder, but it looked nearly identical to the heb coupe. did karmann ever make a coupe along those lines?

I havent seen the car you are talking about. But I am guessing you are talking about the Stoll Coupe..

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:34 am

My info is taken from the original Hebmüller /Wolfburg documents.

The highest known body number is 14-00735 for the moment. I've been told too that there might be up to even 750 made.
And yes, the production dates and body numbers are a bit confusing, for instans body number 735 was finished in 1951 and body number 730 (the last made) in 1953... :roll:
The final production number is as you said 696. Remember 33 bodies were destroyed in the fire July 23rd 1949, and during the time they rebuilt the factory about 40 chassies were shipped to Karmann for their production.

I was about to say that the one in UltraVW probably would be the Stoll Coupé too but you were faster Trayle... :wink:

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:52 am

And to make it even worse and more evident that Hebmuller took cars at random from the production line is that there are two cars in existance today that have body numbers higher than 696

#14 00705 (chassis #10 148 54)

and

#14 00710 (chassis #10 149 314)

Go figure :roll:

Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:59 am

Trayle D. the real oggfk wrote: I wonder did you mix-up those pictures????

Nope haven´t mixed them up, the body number one have 4 louvers on each side of the decklid and the other two have 5 louvers. :wink:

Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:00 am

Strainge that the first prototype has the later style bumpers and the second had the earlier style. My books and pictures show it in reverse and that being one of the distictions between the two, alonng with the louvers..

Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:05 am

Quote: The first Prototype (body nr 14-0002) was finished in January the 8th 1949, second (body nr. 14-0001) was finished in the 21 March 1949, and the third (body nr 14-0003), was finished in June 26th 1949

Maybe you reversed the numbers in this post then... Im confused. I see what you are saying and agree, but it doesnt jive with the pictures.

Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:06 am

Yes, it is but the first as you say is officially second and so on...

BTW. The three prototypes were made from three used 1946 saloons.

Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:10 am

:scrambleup: :crazyeyes: LOL