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Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:01 am

Hey everyone, I am new to the board and have some questions about going to a flat or satin black. I heard of this John Deer Black on here but dont like the fact of not knowing if I can paint over it in the future.

I talked to a guy at the local paint shop and he suggested to shoot a clear coat with a flattener over top a 1000 grit sanded black epoxy primer.

Has anyone ever heard of this or attempted it?

Any help would be appriciated.

Thanks, Newbie

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:27 pm

You can put flattening agent into clear but I would not shoot it over epoxy. I would seal the car with epoxy then put 2 coats of base coat and then clear it. If you sand with 1000 grit and then clear over it adhesion will not be as good a as it will be with a wet on wet process.

One pint of PPG DBU will give you 1.5 to 2 quarts sprayable which is plenty to get 2 coats on.

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:31 pm

I thought it sounded a little back woods but htis guy has worked at the paint shop for a while so I thought I would give him the benifit of the doubt. I guess I know better than to trust an Okie now. :x

Have you ever used a flattening agent? If so how is it to work with?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:24 pm

I would go with a real color coat but, if you were to shoot the clear over the black primer within the recoat window ( about 2 days) you should still get the chemical reaction between the two. The only problem is that you are in uncharted territory. If it fails, the paint dealer can just say, "You dumb #$%^". If you go primer-base-clear, it is a proven system and you know it will work. You might want to try a couple of small tests with the clear to get the effect you want. I've been told it is easy to shoot but a little tricky to get the blend just right.

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:59 pm

John deere blitz black doesn't need a clear coat. The stuff is used for tracktors and it has teflon in it. Why clear it. Just shoot it and run it. If you scratch it get a rattle can and fix it. Stuff is awesome for rodders. As far as painting again later just scudff it up real good and lay down some good primer that is compatible with your new paint.

Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:52 am

Some clears do not flatten. I have tried flattener in DuPont urethanes and it does not work, so don't waste your money with DuPont. It may work with other manufaturers.

Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:00 pm

Use Omni MTK with a flattener its single stage ureathane and definatly cost effective you might spend $100 dollars if you buy the paint yourself. If you repaint in the future you'll have no problems.

Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:39 pm

It sounds like you're looking for a flat black look. If so then you can use PPG Dp 90 which is a black sealer. Then shoot DCC single stage black with DX 685 flattening agent in the paint. For a flat look the ratio is:30 onces per uncatalyzed color, then reduce and add the hardner. For egg shell its 22 onces and for simi gloss its 20 onces. Keep in mind that the hardner to be used is DCX 61 general purpose.

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:51 am

Thanks guys. I decided to go with the base clear and a flattener.

I just primered the whole car with black epoxy on satuday, sanded it
primed it again on monday, sanding again over the next few days, getting ready to trhow some color soon.
:-k
I never knew the Karmann Ghia had so many curves and angle to it. Its a challenge to get a rythym going.