TheSamba.com :: View topic - Dow Jones Investment Car Index Today's Wall Street Friday

Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:36 pm

In today's Wall Street Fri Sept 17 they have a article giving the 50 cars to
collect for investment purposes. They focused on car available in large
enough quantities that buyers stand a chance of finding one!

They gave the cars a rating of Buy, Sell or Hold.

They Buy cars were

1965 Alfa Romeo Guilia Sprint GT 11% increase in past 10 years
1968 American Motors AMX 33% increase in past 10 years
1970 BMW 2002 11% increase in past 10 years
1976 Cadillac Eldorado Vert 69% increase in past 10 years
1965 Chevy Corvair Monza Coupe 100% increase in past 10 years
1971 Datsun 240Z 195% increase in past 10 years
1972 Detomaso Pantera 2.4% increase in past 10 years
1985 Ferrari 412i Coupe (5 speed) 50% Decrease
1970 Ford Boss 302 Mustang 77% increase in past 10 years
1970 International Scout 3/4 ton 99% increase in past 10 years
1970 Olds Vista Cruiser 183% increase in past 10 years
1964 Pontiac GTO vert 65% increase in past 10 years
1963 Studebaker Avanti R-1 27% increase in past 10 years

Hold Cars are

1967 Buick GS400 vert 92% increase in past 10 years
1963 Chevy Impala SS 409 206% increase in past 10 years
1965 Chevy Vette Mark IV 42% increase in past 10 years
1959 Chevy El Camino 108% increase in past 10 years
1967 Citroen DS 21 Chapron vert 0% increase in past 10 years Flat
1934 Chrysler Airflow Sedan 25% increase in past 10 years
1950 Chrysler Town and Country Station Wagon 103% increase in past 10
years
1981 Deloran 23% increase in past 10 years
1985 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole 10% Decrease
1966 Ford Mustang vert 74% increase in past 10 years
1967 Jaguar E-Type coupe 'Series 1' 60% increase in past 10 years
1967 Lamborghini 400GT 2+2 8.4% increase in past 10 years
1959 Lotus Elite 15% increase in past 10 years
1955 Mercedes 300SL "gullwing' Coupe 19% increase in past 10 years
1956 Packard Caribbean vert 76% increase in past 10 years
1964 Porsche 356 C Cabriolet 39% increase in past 10 years
1960 Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud II Sedan 20% Decrease
1966 Shelby Cobra 427 28% increase in past 10 years
1957 VW Beetle vert 36% increase in past 10 years

SELL Cars are

1966 Aston Martin DB6 coupe 63% increase in past 10 years
1967 Austin-Healey 3000 MK III 51% increase in past 10 years
1957 Chevy Bel Air vert 64% increase in past 10 years
1936 Cord 810 Phaeton 10% Decrease
1931 Duesenberg J 36% Decrease
1972 Ferrari 365 GTB Daytona 18% Decrease
1928 ford Model A roadster 0% increase in past 10 years Flat
1958 ford Edsel ranger 2 door hardtop 14% increase in past 10 years
1966 Lincoln Contental vert 7.2% increase in past 10 years
1972 Maserati Ghibli SS vert 9.5% increase in past 10 years
1971 Mercedes Benz 280 SE 3.5 0% increase in past 10 years Flat
1949 Mercury Coupe 20% increase in past 10 years
1966 Mini Cooper S 159% increase in past 10 years
1954 MG TF 59% increase in past 10 years
1932 Packard Dietrich custom sport phaeton 0% increase in past 10 years
Flat
1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda 500% increase in past 10 years
1979 Porsche 930 turbo 13% increase in past 10 years

and our favorite

1964 VW transporter Deluxe 21 window sunroof 344% increase in past 10
years
with 185% coming in the last 5 years. Typical price is $15200 with a high
of $25000.
There is a lot of info on collecting cars but not much on the VW's It says
60's nostalgia has pushed prices through the roof. But don't be greedy:
Drawback to the "microbus' weak engine, poor safety rating- worry car fans
who say collectibles should be models that were outstanding when they hit
the market! I say they were and still are!

Rob

Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:49 pm

anybody wanna buy a 65 21 window bus? :wink:

Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:52 pm

That's some cool info - thanks for sharing it! I have a 64 21 window that is fresh from the paint booth - show quality paint. Makes me feel all the better about what I paid for it! :) Jerry Seinfeld - I've got a bus for you!

Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:08 pm

everyone please note everyone that the pre-64 microbuses are not on that list because they are so worthless that you can't even sell them. I will haul them off for free though......

Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:28 pm

Haul a few over to my house Lind. :D

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:07 pm

Quote: In today's Wall Street Fri Sept 17 they have a article giving the 50 cars to
collect for investment purposes.
WHO FUCKIN' CARES???

i don't own vw's for their supposed "investment values" or their so-called "collectability". i own them because i love them and i enjoy working on them and driving them.
i've seen enough of the "investors" fuck the scene up with their overinflated prices and sleazy, money making bull-shit that it makes me wanna puke.
i'm also REALLY fuckin sick and tired of seeing this wsj article being posted all over the place.

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:29 pm

investing in cars is a stupid thing to do because they don't just go up in value. they require a continued investment in storage and upkeep. someone who doesn't know cars can easily have their investment go down. look at that firetruck that is for sale right now. that thing was a cover car on HVWs fifteen years ago. I bet it would have sold for more back then. sure, they do go up in value if you treat them right, but the people who are buying them only for investment purposes generally don't know what to look for to begin with. look at porsche speedsters and mercedes 300SLs. they were going for huge money in the late 80s. both of those models are worth like half of what they were worth back then. it was because of a feeding frenzy and a limited number of cars. the same thing is starting to happen with 23-window buses. the big limit on price is that there are a lot more 23s out there than speedsters. it will crash when the stupid money realizes that they don't have air conditioning.

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:42 pm

hazetguy wrote: Quote: In today's Wall Street Fri Sept 17 they have a article giving the 50 cars to
collect for investment purposes.
WHO FUCKIN' CARES???

i don't own vw's for their supposed "investment values" or their so-called "collectability". i own them because i love them and i enjoy working on them and driving them.
i've seen enough of the "investors" fuck the scene up with their overinflated prices and sleazy, money making bull-shit that it makes me wanna puke.
i'm also REALLY fuckin sick and tired of seeing this wsj article being posted all over the place.

I totally agree. I drive buses because I love them. if everyone quit liking buses tomorow, the only thing that would change for me is the size of my collection.

I think that it would be funny if the prices of '64 21-windows shot up all of the sudden, but '65s and 23s stayed the same. I have thought for a while that 21-windows aren't getting the respect that they deserve compared to 23-windows. granted, I'm somewhat a snob with my collection and my newest bus is a '61 and I feel a little iffy about that one because it is a late '61 with low hinge doors, but as far as I know there aren't any high hinge flipseat westies. I would take a nice original 21-window over a rusty 23-window any day of the week.

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:49 pm

Jon and Lind I agree! I don't want to see the price go big as I want to be able to afford to drive them and enjoy them and repair and restore them! But I also like to stay informed and that was the reason I hand copied the jist of what was in the article! ! It was just info! Heck the article even has a color bus on the front and for the WSJ there isn't much color! Maybe I should of put it in rants cause that is what it is generating!
Rob

Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:01 pm

'64 21-Windows are dead, it's all about '67 sliding door panels (bench only) and rabbit trucks.

Diesel is the future

Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:08 pm

Captoaster wrote: 1964 VW transporter Deluxe 21 window sunroof 344% increase in past 10 yearswith 185% coming in the last 5 years. Typical price is $15200 with a high of $25000.
Is this restored or ? I haven't seen that many SELL in the $15-$25K range.

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:11 pm

Eh this collector car market is crap...I was (and still am) a Cadillac lover. The 59 caddys with the big ass fins were going for over $30k back in the late 80s early 90s....now you can pick up a awsomely restored one for $20k All those guys buying them up got bit in the ass now. Same thing will happen with splittys...I can see the demand for them going up over the past few years...it will climax then plumit....just drive em love em and take care of em..screw the money

Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:48 am

I agree that 23 window prices have shot thru the roof and it is mainly due to investor types. However, I have to say that another reason why prices have gone up is due to the high cost to restore one to decent condition. Top shops like WCC usually get 20,000+ just for painting and interior :(

Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:00 am

hazetguy wrote: Quote: In today's Wall Street Fri Sept 17 they have a article giving the 50 cars to
collect for investment purposes.
WHO FUCKIN' CARES???

i don't own vw's for their supposed "investment values" or their so-called "collectability". i own them because i love them and i enjoy working on them and driving them.
i've seen enough of the "investors" fuck the scene up with their overinflated prices and sleazy, money making bull-shit that it makes me wanna puke.
i'm also REALLY fuckin sick and tired of seeing this wsj article being posted all over the place.

ill second that. i wish my buses were only worth about $100 each!

Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:52 am

I think the English should also take some of the blame for artificially inflating the prices as of late. http://thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=106373
That looks like a nice bus but for $33,133.88...fucking forget it.

Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:15 am

Quote: WHO FUCKIN' CARES???

Paxil - Lithium - Midol - you take your pick John but please take something. You are no fun at all anymore!

Sat Sep 18, 2004 7:14 am

Quote: I also like to stay informed

stay "informed" of what? overinflated, fake prices based on what? bogus auction prices? some extreme cases of very high and overpaid prices which catch the eye of the media and therefore must be the way it is or the way things are heading? being informed means being involved, not reading the wsj and other over-hyped automotive publications.

and don't worry Stanw3, i'm still the same warm, cuddly person inside! i just ger really bent out of shape when people read things like the wsj article and get visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads, thinking that every POS is worth a million dollars. there are, and have been, plenty of examples of this here on this site alone. here's a perfect example. read the initial posting (and subsequent posts too), and then look at the pics. do you think this is a good "get rich quick" plan? i don't. but hey, bring it to california, and you're set for life.
http://thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85292

Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:37 am

Captoaster wrote:
1970 Olds Vista Cruiser 183% increase in past 10 years

183% increase from what? $10?

Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:07 am

Yep just like a lot of you bus owners I can't stand the money making scammers that only buy the vehicles to make a profit and believe me there are more of those types of people in CA than anywhere. Lind, you are 100% correct that investing in cars is not a smart investment with the storage, maintanence/upkeep and registration. That's what the wall street journal should have included in it's article.

Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:07 am

The whole bubble of car prices has to break soon. People are paying upwards of $100,000 for '56 Chevys. A car they made in the tens of thousands. Stupid money is investing in Detroit iron. Clones are everywhere. Anyone can make anything from a '50s Corvette to a '70s GTO out of parts found in junk yards and catalogues. I staying with VWs and real people. :wink: