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Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:34 am

thomaskaefer wrote: Where to get rockers, valves and intakes...?http://oldspeed-register.blogspot.com/

Thomas, I run OEM 40hp springs that have been carefully matched to spring force, height and then shimmed to get it perfect. I also run EMPI 1.25:1 rockers, but prior to that I ran 40hp rockers on sold shafts.

Check with Bob since he is over in your neck of the woods:

Bob Van Heyst
B.B.T.nv
Nijverheidsstraat 4
B 2960 Brecht Belgium
Tel +32.36.33.22.22
Fax +32.36.33.09.50
Email Bob@BBT4VW.com
Website www.BBT4VW.com

Howard

Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:05 am

This is a very interesting topic.
I'm building a 36hp engine for my friend Turtle.
The engine is going to run on a Riechert carb kit, the OG cam has been regrind to a hotter version, the heads have been cut for 33mm Okrasa style valves, the seats have had a 3 angle valve job and have been ported and polished a bit.
The compression ratio is set at 8.5.
Extra's on the engine are a Fram Filter kit, larger oil pump, 010 dizzy and a 4 in 1 header.
The only thing we are still looking for a valve springs. I would like to mount some stronger springs but this seems to be the hard part about the engine.
I already contacted a Morris Minor parts dealer but the dimensions don't seem to be correct.
Any one has any idea or tips for the valvesprings?
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Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:07 am

Shorrock wrote: thomaskaefer wrote: Where to get rockers, valves and intakes...?http://oldspeed-register.blogspot.com/

Thomas, I run OEM 40hp springs that have been carefully matched to spring force, height and then shimmed to get it perfect. I also run EMPI 1.25:1 rockers, but prior to that I ran 40hp rockers on sold shafts.

Check with Bob since he is over in your neck of the woods:

Bob Van Heyst
B.B.T.nv
Nijverheidsstraat 4
B 2960 Brecht Belgium
Tel +32.36.33.22.22
Fax +32.36.33.09.50
Email Bob@BBT4VW.com
Website www.BBT4VW.com

Howard

Howard, thanks for your help!

But, I decided to sell the heads.... would rather know if I get the chance of a pair again by now... ;-(

What you do, you do it wrong...

Regards

Thomas

Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:51 am

maybe somebody here that want to buy/trade my shorrock c142b? this is a rare oppertunity for getting this blower! i am not gona use this becous i want to make 36hp engine with twin pepco. so this shorrock is for sale or for change with pepco.

thanks,leslie

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:48 am

kever57 wrote: maybe somebody here that want to buy/trade my shorrock c142b? this is a rare oppertunity for getting this blower! i am not gona use this becous i want to make 36hp engine with twin pepco. so this shorrock is for sale or for change with pepco.

thanks,leslie

If you're looking to trade your Shorrock c142b for a Pepco you might like to try Alejandro Martin in Belgium (almar9@hotmail.com). Just put in your email subject line "Trade c142b for Pepco"...that should catch his attention. :)

Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:05 pm

Deluxe Microbus wrote: This is a very interesting topic.
I'm building a 36hp engine for my friend Turtle.
The engine is going to run on a Riechert carb kit, the OG cam has been regrind to a hotter version, the heads have been cut for 33mm Okrasa style valves, the seats have had a 3 angle valve job and have been ported and polished a bit.
The compression ratio is set at 8.5.
Extra's on the engine are a Fram Filter kit, larger oil pump, 010 dizzy and a 4 in 1 header.
The only thing we are still looking for a valve springs. I would like to mount some stronger springs but this seems to be the hard part about the engine.
I already contacted a Morris Minor parts dealer but the dimensions don't seem to be correct.
Any one has any idea or tips for the valvesprings?
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i think you don't need stronger ones, measure it ( 44mm) or buy new ones and but some spacercs under the springs ( 1-1.5mm)

that combination that you have done runns since 2007 in my rusty 57 ( now or sadly sold) about 10000km without any problems rpm up to 5000 or in 4. gear up to 4500 have ben no problem...

Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:59 pm

kever57 wrote: maybe somebody here that want to buy/trade my shorrock c142b? this is a rare oppertunity for getting this blower! i am not gona use this becous i want to make 36hp engine with twin pepco. so this shorrock is for sale or for change with pepco.

thanks,leslie

Howard, (edit out of respect) Good thing the extrusions might get done some day.

Dual pepco's, where is that photo of Chris Addinttons(sp?) Ghia from the 80's

Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:18 pm

tommy-turtle wrote:
Howard, how is MR Mayes comming along? That was 7 years ago he got the Crosley Pepco. Good thing the extrusions might get done some day.

Dual pepco's, where is that photo of Chris Addinttons(sp?) Ghia from the 80's

I'm sorry but you obviously haven't heard the awful news:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=308829

Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:33 am

I haven’t posted for quite awhile, been very busy.

To start with, while road testing the new 2008 36 HP Challenge LSR 1378cc turbo motor this spring, it went into severe detonation in 4th gear on a top speed run. So we didn’t make the Maxton meets. Upon disassembly, it had destroyed all the pistons, cracked one cylinder lengthwise, damaged the cylinder head and I found a stress riser in one valve spring retainer. It was making really super power in the lower gears at 10 lb. boost. I have it all together again now, lower compression, less ignition lead and starting out with 2 lb. boost and working up in 2 lb increments. I’m being very cautious with it. Making power is not the problem, but keeping it alive for LSR mile or 2 mile runs is! Drag racing for ¼ mile is one thing but flat out in 4th for miles is a whole different ballgame.

On June 13th, we had a 500 year flood in our city (Cedar Rapids, IA). 9.2 square miles of homes and 1000 small businesses flooded and lot of city infrastructure destroyed. We lost some of the very good old-time machine shops in the flood that had owners with a lifetime of knowledge of how to repair things. That will be missed.

My home wasn’t affected by the flood but my good friend, racer buddy and fellow mechanic got his home & shop destroyed. We saved two BMW M-3 race cars and a Lotus 7 before the flood but the entire shop, a VW Jetta and 4 race motors were flooded by 12 ft. of cruddy water for 10 days. We cleaned & salvaged all the shop equipment, tools, some parts and dissembled the entire motors, cleaning every passage & then lubing everything. This had to be done right away before they seized up & dried out. We worked more than 3 weeks cleaning & saving things. I had never been around a flood aftermath before and it was quite an experience. I even experienced eating the Red Cross rice & beans as well as wearing boots, masks & rubber gloves.

I hope the rest of the year does better. I’m going to Bonneville’s Speed Week as a spectator. In September, we are planning to race the 36 HP LSR at Bonneville Salt Flats in the New Age class.

Bville Tom

Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:32 pm

Hey Bville Tom,
Very sorry to hear about the flood and loss of shop and engines. Best wishes for getting up and going strong again. I'm looking forward to meeting you and Burly at his home in a couple of weeks.
Britt
Team Ireland

Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:21 pm

bvilletom wrote: I haven’t posted for quite awhile, been very busy.

To start with, while road testing the new 2008 36 HP Challenge LSR 1378cc turbo motor this spring, it went into severe detonation in 4th gear on a top speed run. So we didn’t make the Maxton meets. Upon disassembly, it had destroyed all the pistons, cracked one cylinder lengthwise, damaged the cylinder head and I found a stress riser in one valve spring retainer. It was making really super power in the lower gears at 10 lb. boost. I have it all together again now, lower compression, less ignition lead and starting out with 2 lb. boost and working up in 2 lb increments. I’m being very cautious with it. Making power is not the problem, but keeping it alive for LSR mile or 2 mile runs is! Drag racing for ¼ mile is one thing but flat out in 4th for miles is a whole different ballgame.

On June 13th, we had a 500 year flood in our city (Cedar Rapids, IA). 9.2 square miles of homes and 1000 small businesses flooded and lot of city infrastructure destroyed. We lost some of the very good old-time machine shops in the flood that had owners with a lifetime of knowledge of how to repair things. That will be missed.

My home wasn’t affected by the flood but my good friend, racer buddy and fellow mechanic got his home & shop destroyed. We saved two BMW M-3 race cars and a Lotus 7 before the flood but the entire shop, a VW Jetta and 4 race motors were flooded by 12 ft. of cruddy water for 10 days. We cleaned & salvaged all the shop equipment, tools, some parts and dissembled the entire motors, cleaning every passage & then lubing everything. This had to be done right away before they seized up & dried out. We worked more than 3 weeks cleaning & saving things. I had never been around a flood aftermath before and it was quite an experience. I even experienced eating the Red Cross rice & beans as well as wearing boots, masks & rubber gloves.

I hope the rest of the year does better. I’m going to Bonneville’s Speed Week as a spectator. In September, we are planning to race the 36 HP LSR at Bonneville Salt Flats in the New Age class.

Bville Tom

Tom,
I wondered how you faired in the Iowa floods... Sorry to hear of the misfortune, but glad to see you are marching forward.

Good luck with the records.. Roger and I will see you at Maxton in October if al goes well. We'll be running the 1500 and 2000 cc classes with two different engines.

Good luck with the Turbo engine... What pistons are you using to have failed so catastrophically under boost??

Remember: its not fun unless you are breaking parts.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:15 am

I'm looking forward to meeting you at Burly's on Friday. I'm bringing some of my 36 HP pictures to share with the group.

Thank you for your nice comments.

Bville Tom

Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:19 am

Thanks for you nice comments. Jake, I have the final race motor almost back together now. Earlier, I put in another motor to do testing using the same turbo, manifolds, etc. and it went much better. We are up to 6 lb. and all is going well. This is my dyno! The pistons were stock 1300 VW.

I must be having a lot of fun because we DID BREAK PARTS!

More later,

Bville Tom

Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:14 pm

Tom,
doing dyno testing one mile at a time is very effective, but certainly has its share of ups and downs!! In the early years here my Dyno was a 1 mile stretch of road in front of my shop that had a 5% grade.. I tuned many engines on that road, but it took 3X as long!

The best edge the dyno has given me is knowing air density during runs and then measuring conditions at the track for a good starting point for the runs...

Glad to see that you are finally starting to find some boost with the engine. 6 PSI is very respectable for the 36er and especially with stock pistons!

So I guess you are now going 74X77 with the Porsche crank and the 77mm 1300 pistons??? I'd expect that to be a good combo with a ton of torque that should pull a tall gear really well!

Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:57 am

Friends of the Challenge, this note is to advise you of a new 36hp Challlenge class for 2009. Due to numerous requests, we are adding a Karmann Ghia category to the National 36hp Land Speed Record Challenge next year. All the basic guidelines of the Challenge will be the same with only the word bug being replace by Ghia to differentiate any records set. Any speeds reocrded bu Ghia bodied cars will "NOT" qualify as bug records but will be seperate in all areas.

Ghias are aerodynamically more efficient than bugs and should result in speeds at least 5 miles per hour faster than bug bodied racers with the same 36hp motor. The sanctioning bodies overseeing the events will not seperately recognize Ghia records. These categories will be for 36hp Challenge recognition only and I will provide a vintage trophy for the fastest 36hp Karmann Ghia bodied speed in 2009.

If you would like more info on the 36hp Challenge, please visit www.burlyb.com for direct email and phone information. Ghia guidelines will be added when the 2009 information is posted at the end of the year but getting on our email list will keep you updated on the new 36hp Bug and Ghia Challenge information as it is formulated and as speeds are recorded.

Till then, God speed.............Burly

Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:08 pm

My uphill road dyno works quite well. Breaking the pistons was my fault, I got too agressive on making it go. I had too much compression, too much advance and the detonation just sounded like the shift lever rattling. I was so busy watching the AF meter and not letting it get lean that I didn't realize it had a death rattle. It is a 74 x 77 motor for several reasons, easy to get pistons, thick cylinder walls and very cost effective. The broken pistons were (KS) brand, now I have Nural installed. The Nural or Mahle appears to be much stronger in the area between the pin and the oil ring. The KS cracked to the pin area. This combo seems to work well as we did go 91+ at Maxton with single port heads and a very mild cam without a turbo.

I'll just keep plugging away!

Bville Tom

Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:30 pm

Had an awesome time meeting Burly, Tom, Carsen, and Ed. Really connected with Tom and think we'll have to ressurect the SSS class. That way they won't have to tear down my car in the stock class. :lol:

Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:22 pm

I was referred to this forum from the type 2 split forum and what a wealth of info here. I have a '59 SO-23 Westfalia, mostly original except the engine and a '60 Bug 'vert project. Both are eventually going to have 36ers in them, but for right now I am focused on the Bug. I found a 36 hp Judson blower recently, complete except for the oiler and gennie pulley, which I will use in the Bug. For the bus, I am reading up on the dual carb configurations, but not sure if they would work with a bus equipped with a Eberspracher heater.
I have two 36 horse engines that I obtained separately. One of them is a '60 case, which is perfect for my Bug, but the other has a number I cannot year date. Its -1-1151823-. Any idea what it goes in? I would like to find a year correct engine for my bus as well, and I am guessing this one is too early as it has no bell on the scavenger tube. It also takes .025 over sized bearings except for the thrust bearing which appears to require a smaller bearing. I find that to be very odd to say the least.
--Dan

Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:00 pm

Will the Type 1 oil pump also fit a 36 hp motor ?

Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:29 pm

GREAT NEWS!!!!!!
I just heard from somebody that is out on the salt with all of the 36 hp challenge guys this week. Tom has just broken the seemingly unbeatable record set for 36hp cars in 1961 by Dick Beith (101.296 mph) I do not know the exact speed but my source on the salt says it was 103. He is going to try to beat his own record again this week. He is going to put taller tires on because he ran out of gear and he should be able to add some speed.
Congratulations Tom Good luck with beating the record again.