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thehecticskeptic Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: What is the difference between the Porsche 1600 and VW? |
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I see these 1600s in the old 356's, and the oil filter and dual carb set up just looks cool when done period correct. I've seen some vw engines done in this 'style' but what is the true difference? I can move this to the 356 forum if a mod thinks it should go there. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.
VW and Porche are both 1600cc flat 4, but the parts are not interchangable.
The Porsche can be bolted to a VW transmission. _________________ Glenn
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thehecticskeptic Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.
VW and Porche are both 1600cc flat 4, but the parts are not interchangable.
The Porsche can be bolted to a VW transmission. |
Anything more specific? I assumed the above, and that the porsche was built to more demanding tolerances, but this is just a question for my own education, not planning on sharing parts, just want to know the differences. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Porsche is built to a higher level. But they cost more to maintain as the parts are very expensive.
If you're looking for high performance you'll be better off with a Type 1 VW engine. Parts are cheaper and there's a large selection available.
Both have the same basic configuration and parts layout. _________________ Glenn
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thehecticskeptic Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Porsche is built to a higher level. But they cost more to maintain as the parts are very expensive.
If you're looking for high performance you'll be better off with a Type 1 VW engine. Parts are cheaper and there's a large selection available.
Both have the same basic configuration and parts layout. |
Again, that was my assumption, but i'm not looking to buy a porsche engine, or install one. I am just curious as to the differences between the two. |
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tuna Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I have only a passing familiarity with the 356 engines, but I'd suggest you find a web site or a book dedicated to the 356 engines to get the information that you are looking for.
AFAIK, the 356 and the 25/36hp VW engines are very similar in layouts. I believe that the fuel pump is in the same location. The 356 heads are a real trip if you are familiar with VW engines. The exhaust ports are rectangular and the valves are at angles with each other.
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Jake Raby Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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NOTHING is the same... I only know of 2 interchangeable parts between a TI and a 356/616 engine.
The biggest difference is the fact that a 100% STOCK 356 rebuild STARTS at 8K bucks.. Most run 10K+ _________________ Jake Raby
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thehecticskeptic Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Jake Raby wrote: |
NOTHING is the same... I only know of 2 interchangeable parts between a TI and a 356/616 engine.
The biggest difference is the fact that a 100% STOCK 356 rebuild STARTS at 8K bucks.. Most run 10K+ |
i was hoping you'd chime in w/o me having to post in the ACT forum. Can you suggest a good book on the 356, i've always been a fan, not that i could afford one, but i'd like to learn a little more about the porsche technology from the 356 and the 550 |
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Jake Raby Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Buy all of the bboks written by Harry Pellow "The Mestro".. He passed away a couple of years ago, but his books are a must for anyone working with the 356 engine... _________________ Jake Raby
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Desertbusman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.
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What's a Chevy 400? Don't remember that one. Just remember the 216, 235, 265, 283, 327, 348, 409, 425........ And early in 60's Chevy had a V-8 shortage and threw in some Buicks. _________________ 71 Superbug
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Desertbusman wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.
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What's a Chevy 400? Don't remember that one. Just remember the 216, 235, 265, 283, 327, 348, 409, 425........ And early in 60's Chevy had a V-8 shortage and threw in some Buicks. |
The late 60's both Chevy and Pontiac has 400ci engines. They had different bore and stroke and I think the firing order was even different.
But that's not the point. _________________ Glenn
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Wheelie Pete Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Those old porsche engines do look cool, though.! Anybody know the HP / Torque ratings?? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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thehecticskeptic Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Jake Raby wrote: |
Buy all of the bboks written by Harry Pellow "The Mestro".. He passed away a couple of years ago, but his books are a must for anyone working with the 356 engine... |
I've been reading up on this guy since yesterday, what a character, and knowledgeable as all hell, almost like a mad scientist, but he can write really well. His excerpts remind me of the muir 'idiot manual' in tone, but MUCH more in depth. cool reads, thanks jake |
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74 Thing Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I have his rebuild video's for sale if you are interested-I think there are 4 VHS videos all together which tackles the teardown to rebuild and break in of the rebuilt engine. |
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