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Rooodie Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2002 Posts: 45 Location: Surrey, BC
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2002 3:07 pm Post subject: Narrow Rear Suspension |
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Hello,
I am looking for some information/ideas on how to narrow the rear suspension on a 58 bug. I am in the process of doing a full body off resurection. Does anyone out there have any experience with this?
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Skim Rants Master
Joined: April 15, 2001 Posts: 17082 Location: GFK 31 Year Vet
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2002 11:02 pm Post subject: Narrow Rear Suspension |
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Ron Lumus Racing had an article in hot vw\s a few years back. They do it. A little chunk of work though. I think it looks bad-ass myself along with a narrowed front beam. I say if you can do it, go for it. |
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vwzach Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2003 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I have done some looking and can't find much info on narrowing the rear. I would really like to get some stock wheels widened outward giving the deep dish look.
Anyone know what issue the Ron Lummus article on narrowing the rear end was in?
The pile of work doesn't scare me, but I would rather not "re-invent the wheel" if I don't have to. Pun intended... |
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Bgclctr Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Sacramento, CA
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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oooollllldddddd topic, but I am looking for some info as well? Any ideas?
I have seenn some centerline rims that were 15x10, is that too wide? obviously I need to narrow the axles and mod the arms, I have a '65, so it is the older suspension type.
Any ideas?
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17285 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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OTTOMH, I think it's the Apr 94 issue. |
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61bug Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Lacey, Wa
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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anyone have any pictures of one that way? _________________ "Evil will always prevail, because good is dumb." -- Spaceballs |
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rloaircool Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 304 Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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61bug wrote: |
anyone have any pictures of one that way? |
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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my son has done 2 of these. a 63 narrowed 2" per side and his latest 67 is 3" per side. i have pictures of them. the article in hot vw's says 2" -but that is a misprint. it should be 3" per side/ when we did the 63 we used the article for reference. only 2 sets of 2" shorter axles were made by sway away and they said was unusual. do the 3" and lots of axles are out there. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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61bug Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Lacey, Wa
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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rloaircool wrote: |
61bug wrote: |
anyone have any pictures of one that way? |
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That thing looks raw!! just f#%$ beafy.. I like that _________________ "Evil will always prevail, because good is dumb." -- Spaceballs
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Bgclctr Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Sacramento, CA
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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bill may wrote: |
my son has done 2 of these. a 63 narrowed 2" per side and his latest 67 is 3" per side. i have pictures of them. the article in hot vw's says 2" -but that is a misprint. it should be 3" per side/ when we did the 63 we used the article for reference. only 2 sets of 2" shorter axles were made by sway away and they said was unusual. do the 3" and lots of axles are out there. |
What size rims did he use on the back? And how did he go about modding the rear suspension, I assume new 3in axels abut what about the tubes and spring plates?
Last question, how can you find back issues of VW magazine?
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bj Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2003 Posts: 111
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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BTT...
i'm interested in this topic too.
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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8 or 8.5 by 15 centerline convo pro with mickey thompson street slicks 10.5 x 15. he was fast67bug on samba try search as i think there are pictures on here some place or i can email them to a email address. it has 1" between adj spring plates and 1.5 between stock fender lip. so yes the 10.5 x 15 tires fit inside stock 67 rear fenders. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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sweetlokin66 Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2006 Posts: 1220 Location: Luftwagenville, FLDuh
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Last question, how can you find back issues of VW magazine?
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Leslie Chloupek Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 10 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska 68507
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Narrow Rear |
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That Convert is Mine. If you can cut and weld it is a little bit of work.
Thank you for your comment!!
_________________ "Love, Life, and Cars ALL come with a price, or a sacrifice. It is just that few people want to pay the price, and even less are willing to do any of the sacrificing themselves." Let Glory be to the Builders.
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Leslie Chloupek Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 10 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska 68507
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: Narrow Rear |
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Here are some pictures of cutting and pasting
_________________ "Love, Life, and Cars ALL come with a price, or a sacrifice. It is just that few people want to pay the price, and even less are willing to do any of the sacrificing themselves." Let Glory be to the Builders.
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17285 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Narrow Rear |
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It looks to my eye that the lower shock mount was welded on too far towards the inner pivot of the TA. It looks like the shock will be at quite an angle instead of straight up and down. Have you test fitted a shock? |
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Leslie Chloupek Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 10 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska 68507
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: Narrow Rear |
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Yes it has been welded closer to the trailing arm pivot because there is 4.75 inches out of each side, 9.5 inches total. the bottom mount lines up with the upper shock. When you remove this much out of each side things ARE going to look closer!
I've got shocks in it with the body on, and the shocks don't have any problem moving. _________________ "Love, Life, and Cars ALL come with a price, or a sacrifice. It is just that few people want to pay the price, and even less are willing to do any of the sacrificing themselves." Let Glory be to the Builders.
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Free_Buggy Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2006 Posts: 143 Location: Ont. Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm building a fiberglass buggy and I want to narrow the rear so my tires don't stick a mile out the sides. If I narrow it 3" each side what axles do I use. Somewhere I read that you have to us the axles out of a semi-auto bug... one side shorter than the other or something?? Can someone tell me what axles I should use. I have a 74' IRS pan. _________________ Hugh
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17285 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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The axles in an autostick Beetle are the same as those in a 4 speed. You are thinking about the axles in a full automatic Type 3. The left one is 26mm shorter than a Beetle axle. But that's no help to you. For a 3" chop, you need custom axles from SAW. |
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Free_Buggy Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2006 Posts: 143 Location: Ont. Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Is it fair to say that if I reduce the width of the torsion housing on one side by 3" that the axle would need to be 3" shorter as well or am I best to do the modification and use my old axles to figure out a length? Is there a chart someplace that relates axle length to torsion length? _________________ Hugh
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