Spindle Mounts on a Street Car?

[hemifalcon]

Just to reply to an earlier quote..

What happens when you hit the brakes at high speed and you must stop.. Where does the weight get transferred to? If I'm not too dumb here, the weight goes to the front. Also, another quote--your front brakes lock up? Maybe you should adjust your front and rear bias so that you don't do that. Or, maybe if you are locking up your front brakes, you are waiting too long to apply them already and need to think about being better prepared when driving so as to not create a dangerous situation. for anyone not running front brakes on a non-race or non-offroad car-you are just playing the line of when and where you are going to become part of a VW accordian. What's soo cool about spindle mount wheels on a street car? I dont' really get it. Also, with the mention of dragsters running no front brakes--when was the last time you saw a dragster that didnt' rely on huge drums, and a f@#$%$ parachute? I dont' think too many dragsters put themselves on the street to be used as wedges under neath grandma's new Prius either.
If you like the look of the spindle mounts--cool. But it's not safe for other people on the road. This is all my opinion now. That's why we are here so we can stress our opinions if we want. But, if you want to run them on the street--make sure you don't drive on streets that anyone else drives on especially if your car is a POS. Go crash all alone so that when you do permanently disable yourself, you have plenty of time to think about why it happened, and maybe someone will happen to drive by with brakes and stop to help you out. Don't drive without front brakes, it's just a bad idea.
as quoted by millions.. 'just my $.02'.. Have a nice day.
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[sharkskinman]

No actual weight is transfered
Just the force

Try stopping a car by Pulling at the back end
Then go stand in front of a car and try to stop it

Of course 4 brakes is what was built on it
But we ARE talking about a car that 75% of the weight is in the rear.
as well as the drive wheels.

The reason of the fronts Locking up isnt usually Maladjustment
its due to the fact of the front brakes contacting with force before the rear.
The more you try to stop
the closer the front brakes are to Locking Up

and if you think about it
Unless you are driving a manual transmission
and ALWAYS slam the clutch in when you slam on the brakes
the rear wheels are still Pushing for that fraction of the moment.


Dont get me wrong
Im not saying that everyone should run around with just rear brakes

BUT I AM saying in any Normal situation
ONLY having rear brakes would keep you out of alot of wrecks(Not All)that are due to sliding.

Due to having usual control over the front(nonbraking) wheels
and not worrying about lock up.


Pulling in Opposition of force is easier (and safer) than Smacking the force in the front
I.E. Dragsters have parachutes NOT front brakes

[flyinglow94]

If the back brakes did most of the stopping than Porsche and Ferrari are doing it all wrong with bigger brakes up front maybe they should read these posts and get a clue. I think physics tell us that the weight is transferred in the direction of travel. And I don't drive in reverse as often as I am going forward.

Bottom line is most of us are insured (I hope). If you have a Porsche 996 and you want to be cheep and run a R rated tire (if you could) that tire is made to only do about 110 mph and you get a blow out that causes damage to your car and or other property your insurance company is going to find the easy way out and not only not cover you but also leave you with the full bill (while proving you to be negligent). The same thing if you modify your car in a way that changes its safety features. So not only is it a bad idea it is also unsafe. Even motorcycles have front brakes why doesn't the ryder just lean back and transfer the weight to the rear tire? So good luck with what ever you decide.

there is an organization called SEMA that fight for our rights to modify our cars they fight for our right to run NOS and turbos and every thing you can think of because the law makers think you should not have the right to do things to your cars. But I don't think they will fight for your right to remove your brakes because you think you don't need them.

Dragsters have parachutes because they are going so fast the breaks will not stop them before they run out of track.

I think this guy needs a physics class. How can you compare jets on air craft carriers and dragsters on a quarter mile or any automotive racing for that fact to a street driven automobile that has obstacles jump in front of you every day?

quote="sharkskinman"] No actual weight is transfered
Just the force

Try stopping a car by Pulling at the back end
Then go stand in front of a car and try to stop it

Of course 4 brakes is what was built on it
But we ARE talking about a car that 75% of the weight is in the rear.
as well as the drive wheels.

The reason of the fronts Locking up isnt usually Maladjustment
its due to the fact of the front brakes contacting with force before the rear.
The more you try to stop
the closer the front brakes are to Locking Up

and if you think about it
Unless you are driving a manual transmission
and ALWAYS slam the clutch in when you slam on the brakes
the rear wheels are still Pushing for that fraction of the moment.


Dont get me wrong
Im not saying that everyone should run around with just rear brakes

BUT I AM saying in any Normal situation
ONLY having rear brakes would keep you out of alot of wrecks(Not All)that are due to sliding.

Due to having usual control over the front(nonbraking) wheels
and not worrying about lock up.


Pulling in Opposition of force is easier (and safer) than Smacking the force in the front
I.E. Dragsters have parachutes NOT front brakes

[hemifalcon]

Force is transferred?? Where did you read that? (back 2 posts after mine).. It's called weight. Weight transfers, and you lose that weight over the rear end. It's physics. Adjust your brakes, run all 4 wheel brakes, and don't be a douchebag..douchebag.
-4 wheel brake using VW owner :-)
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[69 Jim]

[david9]

I have run spindle mounts on two of my cars and both with great sucess. Both stopped great and ran and drove fine. Yes, I did install disc brakes on the rear tho and that did help out alot. If you only run drums on the rear you are a complete idiot!!!! I have driven the cars in snow, rain, sunshine without any issues. Yes, you need to be a little more aware of your surroundings and plan a little more in advance if you can but you most likely do that anyway when you are driving a VW. I have had to straight up lock down on the brakes a couple of times due to grid lock on the interstate and each time I came to a stop no problem. I thought with the discs in the rear it accually stopped better than all 4 drum brakes but thats just me. To each their own and and if its what you like then its what you like.

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[Derek Cobb]

As a matter of fact, I did have rear discs when I ran spindle mounts.

And that Vert is just awesome!

[david9]

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[69 Jim]

[sharkskinman]

All Four Spindle Mounts You Say

And this is for all those who want Spindle fronts and want to have brakes too.
http://www.rjays.com/Superbell/SB_brakes_super-01.htm

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[James D]

I have these for sale or trade if you want the spindle mounts with discs. Original magnesium too, to fit on a link pin front end.

[TC/TeamEvil]

Whoa . . . what would the damage be in getting those shipped to Massachusetts, USA?

They're sensational ! ! ! ! !

[sharkskinman]