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Dasuberstinker
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 Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: rubbing with 8 spoke wheels |
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if i get drop spindles with 8 spokes...and use 175/55 tires...willl they rub? just want to clarify before i purchase...thanks to everyone who helps!!   
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conrad1468
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i have drop spindles and 8 spokes that are 5.5 wide. i run 145R15 tires and i bent in the inside lip of front fenders and they never rub.
i would think the tires your running are wider then my 145's and plus the drop spindles move your tires out about a 1/2 inch. so i would think your tires would rub.
take a a ruler and imagine your tire being a 1/2 inch further...then you can see if your going to rub..
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: rubbing with 8 spoke wheels |
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| Dasuberstinker wrote: |
| if i get drop spindles with 8 spokes...and use 175/55 tires...willl they rub? just want to clarify before i purchase...thanks to everyone who helps!! |
Yes. Today's 8 spoke wheels will push your tires out about 1/4 inch over stock wheels. Drop spindles will push 'em out another quater to half inch. 175's are about 1/3 inch wider than stock.
So as Conrad says, take a ruler and see where your tire will sit, 2 inches outwards.
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clarkbre
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I run 175/65/15's on just an adjustable beam with Empi 8's I bought about 5 years ago. I have absolutely no rubbing issues with them even with 2 people in the car. The bug is lowered down a good 2.5-3 inches.
As far as your situation goes, the drop spindles will push them out 1/4" on each side; however, your tires will be fairly low profile being only 55 series tires. My front tires are about 23.9" diameter and your would be only 22.5" diameter.
In all, you should be fine running those wheels and tires. |
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| fake 8 spokes plus drop spindles will rub. If you are set on those wheels you could narrow the beam. |
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| fake 8 spokes plus drop spindles will rub. If you are set on those wheels you could narrow the beam. |
So, if mine are fake why don't they rub at all? Seriously, before you make a big statement like that check the tire size. The proposed tire size that this guy wants to run will be of a low enough profile that they won't hit the fender lip. The 175/55/15's will be a total of 1.5" shorter than 145's. This will help keep the tires away from the fender wells.
Also, compared to a stock sized tire, the proposed 175/55/15's will be 3 inches shorter. |
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Dasuberstinker
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i appreciate all the help..i just want to make sure before i shell out all the dough for the wheels that i wont have any problems...i was planning on getting the wheels for when the car is done...but waiting on lowering it tilli have more money....i figured while i was doing it, i would change to discs up front too...but thats a whole other problem in itself, i think..lol
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: rubbing with 8 spoke wheels |
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| Dasuberstinker wrote: |
| if i get drop spindles with 8 spokes...and use 175/55 tires...willl they rub? just want to clarify before i purchase...thanks to everyone who helps!! |
There is no way you will rub with 175/55s on dropped spindles. I just installed these tires and they are a lot lower profile than 135s, 145s, ect...
Now, if you use an adjustable beam and spindles you will have a great chance of rubbing.
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thanks....just worried thats all...anybody out there have this tire/wheel combo with drop spindles?
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| 70 140 wrote: |
| fake 8 spokes plus drop spindles will rub. If you are set on those wheels you could narrow the beam. |
So, if mine are fake why don't they rub at all? Seriously, before you make a big statement like that check the tire size. The proposed tire size that this guy wants to run will be of a low enough profile that they won't hit the fender lip. The 175/55/15's will be a total of 1.5" shorter than 145's. This will help keep the tires away from the fender wells.
Also, compared to a stock sized tire, the proposed 175/55/15's will be 3 inches shorter. |
I guess you are special 
Dasuberstinker I have the conti 175/55-15's I can take some measurements if you need them
You might want to look at the new 8 spokes that CIP is selling - They state that they are different then the American Eagle wheels.... Perhaps the offset is more similar to that of the original EMPI wheels? |
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If you are set on running the eight spokes, then you could look into someone changing the offset of the wheels you buy. Of course this will set you back some more $$$ but if thats what you want, that's an option. Or buy a narrowed beam. Just my 2 cents.
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| clarkbre wrote: |
| 70 140 wrote: |
| fake 8 spokes plus drop spindles will rub. If you are set on those wheels you could narrow the beam. |
So, if mine are fake why don't they rub at all? Seriously, before you make a big statement like that check the tire size. The proposed tire size that this guy wants to run will be of a low enough profile that they won't hit the fender lip. The 175/55/15's will be a total of 1.5" shorter than 145's. This will help keep the tires away from the fender wells.
Also, compared to a stock sized tire, the proposed 175/55/15's will be 3 inches shorter. |
I guess you are special
Dasuberstinker I have the conti 175/55-15's I can take some measurements if you need them
You might want to look at the new 8 spokes that CIP is selling - They state that they are different then the American Eagle wheels.... Perhaps the offset is more similar to that of the original EMPI wheels? |
that would be great...i was looking at this ad for the wheels...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=445283
thanks again!! you guys are AWESOME!! 
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Dasuberstinker
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thats why i need to know before i buy em 
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I bought AE 8-spokes before I learned about this site. Of course, all literature for the wheel says they fit all 4-lug VWs. They even had a 71 ghia in there photos. I actually called the company and complained that the offset was wrong for Ghias. It fell on deaf ears.
I rolled the lip of my rear fenders slightly and no longer have any rubbing. I would like to lower the front preferably using drop spindles. CIP1 now advertises one that will not increase the track. I have 145's up front.
I am wondering if I simply weighted the front with sandbags until suspension lowers 2.5 inches. Would this be a good test to determine if the combination will rub? Any comments ideas from those with experience would be appreciated.
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I have a Super, and with the nose down all the way on 145's, I hit bumps and rub, but don't rub otherwise.
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did you custom paint those rims kirk? i like that bronze and chrome look! 
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how bout if instead of drop spindles, i go with a 2" narrowed beam with adjusters and the 8 spokes..btw, i got the wheels already...polished.and i have to say..they look awesome in person..better than i thought they would..now i just have to get the car back together lmao 
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i have drop spindles on mine. i would definately suggest a 2" beam. i plan on doing a switch from my stock beam to a 2" beam as soon as i can afford it. the drop spindles move your wheels out.. i think a 1/4" of an inch so you actually only move in your wheel in 3/4" from the fender lip with a 2" beam.
i was looking at CIP1 & CB perf. for the 2" beam and once i bought everything it would be around $450 shipped to me in PA. If you buy one from a guy that makes them they are the same price shipped to me. so i'm going to keep an eye out for a local guy that makes them or selling a used one.
you would think if someone makes the 2" beam and parts... it would be cheaper.. they charge the exact same as a new 2" beam and parts.. if i was able to make one i would sell them for like $100 cheaper then new and make a killing.. sorry for the rant..
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Mine are on a '72 super and with an adjust a strut up front mine only rub when I'm in the car and at almost full lock, 135/15 tires. BTW i'm like 2 maybe 3" off the ground up front.
If I run over a coke can laying on it's side the car will crush it. LOWWW
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