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wheelsmc4 Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2008 Posts: 169 Location: S Fla.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: empi shifter / Bugpack |
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Whats the skinny on aftermarket shifters
are buckpack garbage and what about empi
do these shifters do anything besides improve the stock look |
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2002 Posts: 4070 Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: empi shifter / Bugpack |
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wheelsmc4 wrote: |
Whats the skinny on aftermarket shifters
are buckpack garbage and what about empi
do these shifters do anything besides improve the stock look |
EMPI is Chinese for SHIT.
Yeah, they'll give you a lot of practice on changing/repairing shifters. _________________ Everything known to man has been written.
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2002sportside Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 1489 Location: New England
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Every Mistake Passes Inspection. You have to spend a little money to get a decent shifter. Aftermarkets shorten the throws in addition to looks.
General consensus is the Berg is best (pricey). A genuine Hurst (no longer in production, eBay or classifieds) and the Scat are a couple of other choices. Aircooled.net is advertising a new shifter too. I haven't heard read any reviews on it but John doesn't sell junk.
http://aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=CFS0017&cartid=0612200885302074
I have a Scat in my car but have been unable to stop it from grinding second. I will probably go back to stock with a short shift kit. _________________ 1973 Volkswagen Beetle never ending project |
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thomrobson Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2007 Posts: 224 Location: Greenville SC
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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EMPI is Chinese for SHIT.
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I have an EMPI shifter and it took a good bit of grinding and a great deal of sweat and cursing to get it to work right. Plus it rattles with the little bit of vibration from the tranny. Spend the money if you can afford a Berg shifter. _________________ Changing the world one bug at a time. |
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Bugorsh Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2004 Posts: 1358 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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CSP also makes a shifter. I have not used one, however their other products are really good so I would think their shifters are too. Berg shifters are great, I just wish they made the tee handles more comfortable to use. _________________ In pursuit of superior handling!
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2002sportside Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 1489 Location: New England
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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When I was searching this topic a couple weeks ago I couldn't find much on the CSP shifter. Those that have them seem to like them though.
I like the look of the Flat 4 shifter, but the later reviews haven't been as good as the early ones. Anyone using one? _________________ 1973 Volkswagen Beetle never ending project |
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snowymonkey Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2007 Posts: 652 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I had a bugpack shifter in for a few years with no problems. I had a shop install it, so I don't know if any modification was required. _________________ "The music moves me, but it moves me ugly"
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dirtkeeper Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2008 Posts: 3200 Location: Left of everywhere
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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i have berg in my bug and it is certainly da kind . i put a bugpack in my ghia and it still needs some work to get it adjusted right but i think i can get there. any way it is better than stock
scale 1 to 10 the berg gets a 10, bugpack a 5 plus and the stock would be about a strong 3.... other words i would say it is an improvement |
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2002sportside Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 1489 Location: New England
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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dirtkeeper wrote: |
scale 1 to 10 the berg gets a 10, bugpack a 5 plus and the stock would be about a strong 3.... other words i would say it is an improvement |
Is that a completely stock shifter? Sounds like a stocker with a $5 short shift kit would beat the Bugpack in everything except looks. There is a lot less effort getting a stock shifter to line up properly compared to most of the cheaper aftermarkets.
Remember, you get what you pay for. There is a reason these shifters are under $50... _________________ 1973 Volkswagen Beetle never ending project |
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69 Jim Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2004 Posts: 6264 Location: Chickengeorge's Neighbor
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: empi shifter / Bugpack |
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Air-Cooled Head wrote: |
wheelsmc4 wrote: |
Whats the skinny on aftermarket shifters
are buckpack garbage and what about empi
do these shifters do anything besides improve the stock look |
EMPI is Chinese for SHIT.
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Berg baby, Berg |
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notsofastEddie Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2008 Posts: 286 Location: Free Home, Georgia
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Guess I'm lucky. I spent $54 for the trigger Empi, I'm not a big fan of the T-handle. Dropped it in in about 5 minutes, no problems at all. Love the way the big ball feels Don't read anymore into that than it says! Nice crisp short shifts, which is why I bought it. _________________ '72 super baja |
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Mokkan Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2007 Posts: 249 Location: Washougal, WA
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting! I bought a Scat shifter from ACN, but I never installed it, because I didn't really like it when it arrived. But that new one you linked there looks pretty shiny. I think I'll check it out, thanks for posting! |
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pupjoint Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 1140
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Mokkan wrote: |
Interesting! I bought a Scat shifter from ACN, but I never installed it, because I didn't really like it when it arrived. But that new one you linked there looks pretty shiny. I think I'll check it out, thanks for posting! |
funy i dint know ACN sells Scat shifters...i think they dint sell them last time |
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wheelsmc4 Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2008 Posts: 169 Location: S Fla.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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I think I'll stay with the stock one for now thanks for all the info and keeping me from wasting $$$$$ |
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dirtkeeper Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2008 Posts: 3200 Location: Left of everywhere
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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2002sportside wrote: |
dirtkeeper wrote: |
scale 1 to 10 the berg gets a 10, bugpack a 5 plus and the stock would be about a strong 3.... other words i would say it is an improvement |
Is that a completely stock shifter? Sounds like a stocker with a $5 short shift kit would beat the Bugpack in everything except looks. There is a lot less effort getting a stock shifter to line up properly compared to most of the cheaper aftermarkets.
Remember, you get what you pay for. There is a reason these shifters are under $50... |
a short shift kit does improve the stock to maybe a 4 but looks, feel and shifting are slightly improved with the bug pack IMO. for a regularly driven vw i say save up for the berG. as far as improvements to spend money on this would be at the top of the list cause think about it.... shifting is one of the most used functions in the driving experience. |
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blankc72 Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2007 Posts: 80
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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I have a CSP T handle shifter in my Bug and love it. It gives a nice solid, crisp gear change. The shifter was expensive but is well made. |
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2002sportside Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 1489 Location: New England
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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pupjoint wrote: |
Mokkan wrote: |
Interesting! I bought a Scat shifter from ACN, but I never installed it, because I didn't really like it when it arrived. But that new one you linked there looks pretty shiny. I think I'll check it out, thanks for posting! |
funy i dint know ACN sells Scat shifters...i think they dint sell them last time |
From John's tech article dated Dec '05...
"Custom Shifter: 20 minutes. Be very careful when choosing a custom shifter - most are junk! Plan on spending $100 for a good one; Currently, the only shifters we recommend besides the stock shifter (with or without a quick shift) are the Scat Shifters (which we carry) and the Gene Berg shifters (these you can get one at Geneberg.com). The ORIGINAL Hurst shifters are also excellent, but they haven't been made in over 20 years, so used is the way to find these (swapmeets and Ebay)."
So they have sold them since at least then. They still list them on their site. But I have been reading of some problems with the Scat lately... I didn't have much luck with the one I have now either... _________________ 1973 Volkswagen Beetle never ending project |
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1971BugGuy Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2004 Posts: 426 Location: Ontario, CANADA
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: Empi Trigger Shifter |
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I currently run a genuine Hurst trigger shifter in my '71 Super Beetle and love the way it operates... tight and smooth. I have, however, used the much hated Empi trigger shifters in the past including one in the very same '71 Super. I have to say that I'm not a hater! I really liked the operation of the Empi's and the only reason I switched to a genuine Hurst is because I got it given to me. Overall they operate the same and have never had difficulty with breakage. That being said... I drive my Bug... I don't race it. If you're not racing your car your Empi should last you well. Besides... you could buy five or six Empi's for the price of a Berg. just a little food for thought! _________________ Only a fool or a child would judge a project before it reaches its completion.
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towd Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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are you guys really thinking Empi, bugpack and scat don't all come off the same Boat. ????? welp surprise... |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Empi Trigger Shifter |
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1971BugGuy wrote: |
Besides... you could buy five or six Empi's for the price of a Berg. just a little food for thought! |
True, but when the rivets rip off and you're 100 miles from home, the last thing you want to do is pull out your spare EMPI shifter and install it on the side of the road.
My original Hurst was used for 20 years and still has plenty of life left in it. _________________ Glenn
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