| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
 Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Canadian Champagne Edition II Campmobile |
 |
|
| prairie_vw wrote: | 1978 Champagne Edition
82 084 087
483146 D64 P31
04 4 7344 KN 2319 61 |
Great to see a Canadian Champagne Edition bus! So far I have seen quite a few Champagne buses but all of them were originally sold in the USA.
I see Mildred already helped you on the code D64. But this translation is for the D64-code used in the 1970 model year. For some reason most of those 'letter'-codes (or 'group codes') changed each model year. The D64-code for 1978 is also a bit different.
Being a Champagne bus owner myself I am quite a Champagne bus fan  . I looked up these codes on the microfiche that has the explanation for the group codes. I already noted 'D64' on it, it had 'Canada' written behind it. I thought this was a mistake or something because I had never seen a Canadian Champagne bus. But this proves that the fiche was correct. So there are probably also Canadian Champagne Microbuses out there?!? Anyone on the forum has such a bus? I am curious to the codes! 
OK, here is the explanation of D64 for 1978 models:
060 - Eberspächer BA6 petrolheater (LHD) (fitted under cargofloor)
073 - Roof opening and reinforcement for Westfalia pop up roof SO 73
102 - Rear window heating
113 - Admittanceplate for Canada
121 - Two electric ventilators in fresh air system
123 - suppression equipment for radio reception
162 - rubber strips for bumpers
568 - Tinted windows and windshield, with laminated windshield
597 - Stronger battery: 12 V 63 Ah instead of 12 V 45 Ah
618 - Generator 70 A instead of 55 A (type 4 engines)
652 - Interval switch on windshield wipers and wash-wipe installation. Interval ca. 6 seconds
765 - Special salescampaign "Champagne Edition II"
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Sonderlackierung 522552 |
|
|
| marco_s wrote: | just wondering if i could get some help on my m code don't know that much so any info will be useful.  sorry pic isn't that good..
 |
 Thanks for posting that pic
Now I finally know for sure what colour code 522552 stands for! I always knew it was some sort of blue, but now I know it is Neptune blue with a Cloud White roof. (because of the paint sticker that is still in your bus, but was missing in all the other buses I spotted with this code)
522552 stands for:
5: special paint instruction (Sonderlackierung in German). Both Neptune Blue and Cloud White were regular VW colours. But for some reason all US-buses of modelyear 1968 have a special paint code meaning that something about the paint job was different...I have no idea what. It could be the type of paint, or a small piece of the car being in a different colour....like the wheels, the VW logo or whatever...
22: the special paint instruction was applied to a VW type 22 (= VW Microbus)
552: number of the special paint instruction: Neptune Blue L50K with Cloud White L581 roof
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
busdaddy
Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004
Posts: 11811
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just to complicate things further I looked at a 1978 Canadian Westfalia with a KX delivery code, Hmmmm..
_________________
Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Wanted, 68-73 westy OG plaid curtains, singles OK. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheShane
Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2008
Posts: 328
Location: Lexington, Ky
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| TheShane wrote: | I'm having trouble finding a few of my codes and I was wondering if anyone could help. Here is the plate with the codes I need in bold. Any other information would be appreciated.
82 131 414
E9D577 D50 227 246 560
21 2 7320 UW 2218 63
Here is what I have:
82- 1978
131 414 -Serial Number
E9D577- Panama Brown(bottom), Dakota Beige(top), Canyon Brown Leatherette(interior)
D50- ???
227- Detachable Headrest
246- ???
560- Steel Sliding Roof
21 2- May/30/1978
7320- Temp Serial Number
UW- ???
2218- Microbus, LHD, Sliding door right, Seven seater
63- Engine/Trans, 2000cc, Automatic Transmission |
I found:
UW - U.S.A., Washington D.C.
D50- series of codes
-012 - exhaust emmission control installation and speedometer in miles
-067 - 12V 54A battery instead of standard 12V 45A battery
-102 - rear window heating
-508 - sliding window in sliding door and in the opposite side panel of the pass compt.
I still cant find 246
_________________
'78 Sunroof Bus
| NASkeet wrote: | | I suppose that's what happens when one drives a passion wagon, which comes factory-fitted with a double bed. |
Last edited by TheShane on Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:58 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Destination code KX |
|
|
| busdaddy wrote: | | Just to complicate things further I looked at a 1978 Canadian Westfalia with a KX delivery code, Hmmmm.. |
Destination code KX is for 'Canada-tourists'.
This bus was probably for a Canadian customer that picked his bus up in Germany at the Westfalia factory, travelled accross Europe and then had it shipped to Canada. It is called 'Tourist Delivery'.
See also this brochure from 1973:
follow this link for the brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/73touristdelivery.php
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter.
Last edited by molenari on Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Groupcode D50 (1978) and M-code 246 |
|
|
| TheShane wrote: | | (...)I found UW, its U.S.A., Washington D.C. But I still cant find D50 or 246 |
D50 stands for:
012 - Exhaust emission control installation and speedometer in miles instead of Kilometers
067 - 12 V 54 A battery instead of standard 12 V 45 A battery
102 - Rear window heating
508 - One sliding window in sliding door and one in the opposite side panel of the passenger compartment
M246 = Windshield free from import-duty for USA
So perhaps the original windshield was made by a US-manufacturer?
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheShane
Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2008
Posts: 328
Location: Lexington, Ky
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
molenari,
Thank you. The windshield code doesnt really make sense but your interpretation seems pretty logical to me so I'll take it. Thank you for your help.
-Shane
_________________
'78 Sunroof Bus
| NASkeet wrote: | | I suppose that's what happens when one drives a passion wagon, which comes factory-fitted with a double bed. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tom62
Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2005
Posts: 422
Location: Lakeland Fla
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
a little help please
68 double cab
was it imported to New Orleans?
according to the owners manual it was sold on 6-24-68 at Ken Mackey Volkswagen inc in Auburn Alabama
this is from the customer Id card in the front cover
_________________
certified VW nut since 1971
my fleet :
66 mustang
68 Double Cab
05 Scion sc
Yep I'm from Florida! and have you noticed most of the idiots used to live in other states? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
marco_s
Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2007
Posts: 86
Location: Arizona
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| dwill49965 wrote: | | marco_s wrote: | just wondering if i could get some help on my m code don't know that much so any info will be useful. sorry pic isn't that good..
|
Its a '68. Top line looks like
09 5 E - date code: 9 May, 1968 E means built in Emden, Germany
21 - engine/tranny - 1600, 4 spd manual
425 - group code for '68 consisting of:
020- speedo and odometer in miles
089- laminated windscreen glass
507 - Vent windows in cabin doors
511- padded dashboard and dashboard lid
524- Canada and USA specs
508 - vent window in sliding door and in all windows opposite sliding door in the pass compt (three windows in total)
525 - seatbelts for USA and Canada
UJ - destination code: USA, Jacksonville
2211 - Microbus. LHD, sliding door right, Seven seater arrangement 2-2-3
522552 - paint code - Neptune Blue L50K
8155988 - 8 is 1968, rest is chassis number
All information taken from "VW Transporter and Microbus Specification Guide 1967-1979" by Vincent Molenaar and Alexander Prinz, The Crowood Press Ltd, 2005. |
Thanks for the info dwill49965 now i know a little bit of more of history on my ride.
| molenari wrote: | | marco_s wrote: | just wondering if i could get some help on my m code don't know that much so any info will be useful. sorry pic isn't that good..
|
Thanks for posting that pic
Now I finally know for sure what colour code 522552 stands for! I always knew it was some sort of blue, but now I know it is Neptune blue with a Cloud White roof. (because of the paint sticker that is still in your bus, but was missing in all the other buses I spotted with this code)
522552 stands for:
5: special paint instruction (Sonderlackierung in German). Both Neptune Blue and Cloud White were regular VW colours. But for some reason all US-buses of modelyear 1968 have a special paint code meaning that something about the paint job was different...I have no idea what. It could be the type of paint, or a small piece of the car being in a different colour....like the wheels, the VW logo or whatever...
22: the special paint instruction was applied to a VW type 22 (= VW Microbus)
552: number of the special paint instruction: Neptune Blue L50K with Cloud White L581 roof |
Just wondering if that special paint code might include the trim becuase my ride has the trim of a deluxes, is a microbus the same as a deluxes?
_________________
Marco S.
"My 68 POP Smurf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
| marco_s wrote: | | Just wondering if that special paint code might include the trim becuase my ride has the trim of a deluxes, is a microbus the same as a deluxes? |
No, the paintcode only tells the details on the paint. The deluxe trim would be included in either the model code (in this case the bus is a type 22, so without trim) or in the m-codes.
Your bus has US-specs. for some reason all US-delivered microbuses had deluxe trim.
A deluxe bus is a type 24. I have never seen a US-deliverd type 24 so far. So I guess they don't exsist.
A type 24 is very recogniseable by the jailbars on the rear hatch and the rubber trim on the bumpers (only for buse with early-type bumpers)
Yours,
Vincent
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: 'tax free' M-codes |
|
|
| TheShane wrote: | molenari,
Thank you. The windshield code doesnt really make sense but your interpretation seems pretty logical to me so I'll take it. Thank you for your help.
-Shane |
Well, there are more strange codes. Like a code for tax-free tires and a tax-free battery. I suppose these all have to do with the company manufacturing these items being inside the country where the car was exported to.
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: destination code UO |
|
|
| tom62 wrote: | a little help please
68 double cab
was it imported to New Orleans?
according to the owners manual it was sold on 6-24-68 at Ken Mackey Volkswagen inc in Auburn Alabama
this is from the customer Id card in the front cover |
Yes: UO stands fro 'USA, New Orleans'.
So it seems your car is built on the 23rd of November 1967 (1st line on the plate). This car took a long time to reach it's first owner.
...but on the other hand. Most of my buses are original Dutch and there was also often 6 months between build-date and 1st registration date...and we are next to Germany....
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tom62
Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2005
Posts: 422
Location: Lakeland Fla
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks, Vincent
Thursday Nov 24 1967, it was built on Thanksgiving day! (the USA holiday)
Hope this doesn't make it a turkey!!
_________________
certified VW nut since 1971
my fleet :
66 mustang
68 Double Cab
05 Scion sc
Yep I'm from Florida! and have you noticed most of the idiots used to live in other states?
Last edited by tom62 on Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stevespeirs
Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2008
Posts: 113
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
with the help of the m-codes page in the technical section
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/mcodest2.php
i think i've figured out most of the plate on my 71 Westy.
however, i just have a couple of questions on 697 in the second line and 7610 in the last line....
any help would be appreciated and if you notice any mistakes, please let me know,
thanks,
--Steve
_________________
71 Westfalia |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dwill49965
Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2005
Posts: 1180
Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| stevespeirs wrote: | | however, i just have a couple of questions on 697 in the second line and 7610 in the last line.... |
697 Fitted with Continental manufactured tyres
7610 - is a production planning number (temporary serial number)
_________________
Darryl
--------------
'78 Westy, Boston Bob built 2.0 L, FI, Pertronix, MSD 6
| Meyer wrote: | | Lastly, you just referred to US citizens as 'Americans'. Exactly what kind of Canadian are you? From what continent? |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
asafk
Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2008
Posts: 62
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
what a thread...
mine is a 1978 riviera, born as a kombi. Tell me if I'm wrong with anything:
82 072 379
500
P4P477 D51 227 235 246
01 1 7452 UP 2316 61
8# ### ### - 1978 production year
500 -Full width partition with two-seat passenger seat
P4P4 - sage green L63H
77 - leatherette, canyon brown
D51 - group of codes for USA
012 - Exhaust emission control installation and spedometer in miles
067 - 12v 54A battery instead of standard 12v 45A
102 - Rear window heating
148 - With hinged rear seat backrest
508 - Ventilation window in sliding door and in windows opposite sliding door in the passenger compartment
227 - detachable headrests
235 - Seats with mountings for headrest in passenger compartment (removed for the camper interior)
246 - windshield fee thing for USA
01 1 - first day of first week of 1978 (January 2nd, 1978. came out with a hangover...)
UP - USA, Portland
2316 - type 2, kombi, LHD, sliding door right, Seat arrangement 2-0-3
61 - 2.0L 70hp, Manual
Questions:
#500 is for a full width partition. But the bus is a walkthrough, with two bucket seats. how come?
#508 - is it for 3 sliding windows in total (door + 2) or for two in total (door + 1) ? I have only 2 sliding windows- the door's window and the opposite panel window.
Asaf. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: D51 (1978) and M508 |
|
|
| asafk wrote: | (...)
82 072 379
500
P4P477 D51 227 235 246
01 1 7452 UP 2316 61
(...)
D51 - group of codes for USA
012 - Exhaust emission control installation and spedometer in miles
067 - 12v 54A battery instead of standard 12v 45A
102 - Rear window heating
148 - With hinged rear seat backrest
508 - Ventilation window in sliding door and in windows opposite sliding door in the passenger compartment
227 - detachable headrests
235 - Seats with mountings for headrest in passenger compartment (removed for the camper interior)
246 - windshield fee thing for USA
(...)
Questions:
#500 is for a full width partition. But the bus is a walkthrough, with two bucket seats. how come?
#508 - is it for 3 sliding windows in total (door + 2) or for two in total (door + 1) ? I have only 2 sliding windows- the door's window and the opposite panel window. |
Hi Asaf,
Your bus is a 1978-model. The translation for the D51 code that you read is for a 1976-model. For 1978 models D51 stands for:
012 - Exhaust emission control installation and speedometer in miles instead of Kilometers
067 - 12 V 54 A battery instead of standard 12 V 45 A battery
102 - Rear window heating
206 - Inner rearviewmirror, anti dazzle
The M-plate of a 1978 bus is in a very nasty place to read it. So I am afraid you missread the 500-code. I guess it is 508 
Which brings us to the next subject: M508. On 1968-1977 models this means the bus has three ventilation windows in the back. On 1978-1979 models these windows didn't exsist anymore (at least on buses and kombis). For 1978-1979 models M508 stands for the two sliding windows.
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
asafk
Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2008
Posts: 62
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Cheers.
That explains it. I will double check the #500 issue- I copied the plate with a pencil (no other way to see it), so I may be wrong.
Thanks,
Asaf. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
molenari
Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004
Posts: 85
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: How to read a 1977-1978-1979 M-plate |
|
|
| asafk wrote: | Cheers.
That explains it. I will double check the #500 issue- I copied the plate with a pencil (no other way to see it), so I may be wrong. |
That is indeed a good way to do it. You can also try a small mirror to look at the codes.
_________________
currently starring in my fleet:
'68 panelvan, '70 kombi, '71 panelvan, '77 panelvan, '78 kombi, '78 microbus (champagne edition II), '78 highroof panelvan (parting out), '79 panelvan automatic, '79 panelvan armoured money transporter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
smadlarson
Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2008
Posts: 19
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
Going crazy reading this thread...but it has been very helpful.
I figured out all the codes for my 1970 Westy, except one. The destination code is XH.
What I've gathered from this code is that it was part of the tourist delivery program and it was picked up in Holland, driven around Europe, then brought back to the US. Is that correct?
Thanks! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
