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bedfordd Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2009 Posts: 179 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: battery recommendation |
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I've search the Samba and the web for a while to get some recommendation for battery brands/specifications for my '77 FI. My current battery is pretty new but after being away for a week it was dead. I put a 1amp trick charge on it and it was up to 12.5V. The next day it was 11.9V and could start the bus but cranked slowly. After driving it for two days it was good. I rode my bike to work today and checked it when I got home - 10V :-/ It is back on the charger for the night (yes, on my work bench) so I thought I'd ask if I should just get one w/ the same size or if anyone has any recommendations.
Thanks for the help! _________________ 1977 Westy with a '79 CA FI 2L |
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Batan Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2003 Posts: 1637 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know about others but I find Interstate batteries to be an excellent product. Optima used to be good then they went to shit when they changed the manufacturing plant or something. _________________ '69 Riviera Bay
'03 20th Anniversary GTI
'74 Super Beetle
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50337
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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It is very likely that you have some kind of amp draw that is running your battery down. Remove the negative cable from the battery and then read the voltage between the battery post and the cable end. The reading should be close to zero volts. My bet is that you will be reading a lot closer to 12V.
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Desertbusman Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14655 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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^ Right ^
If you can't measure it just leave the cable unhooked and see if the battery dies. _________________ 71 Superbug
71 Westy |
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Sloride Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2002 Posts: 926
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bedfordd Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2009 Posts: 179 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: |
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After charging through the night it is back up to 12.3v. When back in the bus I measured between the pos and the unattached neg cable and it read between .7v and 1.0v. I'm not sure if that is a lot of draw, all I think I have is a stereo to draw on the battery.
Funny, I currently have an Interstate and when I bought my westy at the beginning of the year and had my mechanic check it out, one of the 1st things he said was to swap out of the "POS Walmart battery" (as he called it) and installed this one...
Thanks for all the recommendations! _________________ 1977 Westy with a '79 CA FI 2L |
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7106
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:52 am Post subject: |
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I like the DIE HARD batteries. The company I work for has over a hundred vehicles. We used to use Interstate but the quality was inconsistent. So they changed to generic crap and get the same results for less. But SEARS is in my personal cars. |
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WhirledTraveller Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2008 Posts: 1399 Location: Cambridge, MA
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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This topic has been covered... there are not very many actual battery manufacturers in the United States. Brands such as Die Hard, Duralast, Interstate, etc. buy their batteries from various manufacturers and simply re-label them. There's an excellent chance that any battery you buy, from any brand, is manufactured by Johnson Controls.
http://www.batteryfaq.org/
When it is time for me to replace my battery, I will probably spring the extra dough for an Optima battery, for the simple reason that they are completely sealed and should not contribute to the rusting of my battery tray. _________________ 1977 Westy, Automatic. Big Valve heads, CS Cam. |
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theizzardking Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2008 Posts: 2097 Location: seattle
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: |
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i want 2 of these
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc925mjt.htm
or the deep cycle version, 2 of them will fit in the stock location no problem, fully sealed and mutli mount. _________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
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timo78 Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2009 Posts: 931 Location: Overcast and Loving it
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like you have a vampire device sucking your battery's life. Stereos, clocks, and alarm systems can do that. Try disconnecting the stereo's power, and see if the phantom draw draw goes away. _________________ > 78Grµn Westfalia `Donkey`
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It may be bigger than you and it may be bigger than me, but it’s not bigger than you AND me; can you dig it? |
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dwill49965 Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2005 Posts: 1396 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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bedfordd wrote: |
When back in the bus I measured between the pos and the unattached neg cable and it read between .7v and 1.0v. I'm not sure if that is a lot of draw, all I think I have is a stereo to draw on the battery.
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That is a large draw. There is obviously something wrong with the electrical system. Start pulling fuses one at a time and measuring the voltage draw each time. That will help you isolate which component is giving you a problem. _________________ Darryl
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'78 Westy, Boston Bob built 2.0 L, FI, MSD 6A
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Lastly, you just referred to US citizens as 'Americans'. Exactly what kind of Canadian are you? From what continent? |
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cr@M Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2007 Posts: 1199 Location: Moscow, ID
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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I've got a CAT in mine _________________ 1972 Deluxe named Lucidity
1973 Transporter
"He who fights with monsters must see to it that he himself does not become a monster...
when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Desertbusman Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14655 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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WhirledTraveller wrote: |
I will probably spring the extra dough for an Optima battery, for the simple reason that they are completely sealed and should not contribute to the rusting of my battery tray. |
Or use a standard battery and put it in a plastic battery box. And coat the terminals and cable ends with the goop that totally elimates corrosion. Eleven years and I have never cleaned the terminals, cable ends or tray. They are as immaculate as new. Replaced the battery twice but they were as spotlessly clean and dry as when new. _________________ 71 Superbug
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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My experience has been that when I charge a good battery overnight like you did you should see more than 13 vdc. I think your battery is shot. You should take it to Autozone or some other FLAPS and have them do a load check. It's free and then if you need a new one you're right they where they sell them. My buddy next doot has had two Diehards fail on him early and they have both been within the last 6 months. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
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Batan Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2003 Posts: 1637 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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bedfordd wrote: |
After charging through the night it is back up to 12.3v. When back in the bus I measured between the pos and the unattached neg cable and it read between .7v and 1.0v. I'm not sure if that is a lot of draw, all I think I have is a stereo to draw on the battery.
Funny, I currently have an Interstate and when I bought my westy at the beginning of the year and had my mechanic check it out, one of the 1st things he said was to swap out of the "POS Walmart battery" (as he called it) and installed this one...
Thanks for all the recommendations! |
If it's 12.3V after charging, that's nothing and the battery is probably dead. You should measure the voltage when the battery is cold, at least a couple of hours after charging. It should hold 12.8V+ when fully charged.
As far as Interstate, well opinions are like assholes... _________________ '69 Riviera Bay
'03 20th Anniversary GTI
'74 Super Beetle
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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consumer reports usually has a good article on battery ratings. Everstart came up several times in their ratings. I don't know if they make a group 41 battery. It requires a subscription to be able to read the article.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/tires-auto...erview.htm _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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bedfordd Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2009 Posts: 179 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Huh, Costco for the best battery value - who'd figure...
Sears checked my battery and after 2 hours said it was fine, was charged up and shouldn't be a problem. We'll see... Good price-performer though as I didn't buy a battery. I'll disconnect my stereo and see if there's any other draw on the battery - should be zero.
Again, SAMBA ROCKS! Thanks all... _________________ 1977 Westy with a '79 CA FI 2L |
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filmore Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2009 Posts: 92 Location: Halifax, N.S. Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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there are not very many actual battery manufacturers in the United States. Brands such as Die Hard, Duralast, Interstate, etc. buy their batteries from various manufacturers and simply re-label them. There's an excellent chance that any battery you buy, from any brand, is manufactured by Johnson Controls. |
Nail on the head here, being in the Automotive Parts Business for over 20 years, I have taken courses on batteries, sounds strange but the manufacturers offer them to dealerships for their parts and service staff, and yes there are only two or three battery manufacturers in North America, so chances are the only difference between batteries is the label they put on it. Then again the courses I went on were hosted by Johnson Controls and I must admit, even though they told us they manufactured batteries for several distributors, they failed to tell us if the quality put into them was the same for all (i.e. number of plates etc.) _________________ 1973 Kombi/Westfalia conversion,SO72/6 interior, Continental upper bunk, 1600DP engine, Dual Carbs, Tri-Mil dual tip bug exhaust, UT Tourist Delivery Program
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magnus0328 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2006 Posts: 1160 Location: There
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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bedfordd wrote: |
Huh, Costco for the best battery value - who'd figure...
Again, SAMBA ROCKS! Thanks all... |
I just bought one yesterday at Costco. It is an 800 / 640 cca top post battery. It has a 3 year free replacement / 100 month pro-rated warranty. It was only $56.99. Auto Zone wanted $79.00 for less of a battery with only a 2 year warranty. |
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curtis4085 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2011 Posts: 4806 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hello all, Im looking at getting an Interstate battery for my 79 Westfalia. I do not have auxillary battery power and was looking at getting the Interstate MT- 47. Does anyone have any idea if this is the proper choice for my year, model and situation(no aux battery). Thanks for your input. _________________ Special Thanks to:
Headflow Masters - Vista, CA
www.headflowmasters.com |
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