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pupjoint
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 Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: Airkewld Spindles or CB Performance |
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Looking to buy a set of ball joint dropped spindles for my other vehicle.
i know CB's unit has been around for some time.
Any idea on Airkewld's unit? they are both priced around the same. I cheked their site, they have veryice looking kits, with lifetime warranty on the rotor, but only looking for spindles now.
Are they both forged?
both have around the same offset? 3/8"
later upgrades?
CB's wide 5 kit have a diff spindle that goes with their brake kits only.
Can I buy a disc brake kit from Airkewld later on to use on a drum spindles? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Airkewld Spindles or CB Performance |
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| pupjoint wrote: | Looking to buy a set of ball joint dropped spindles for my other vehicle.
i know CB's unit has been around for some time.
Any idea on Airkewld's unit? they are both priced around the same. I cheked their site, they have veryice looking kits, with lifetime warranty on the rotor, but only looking for spindles now.
Are they both forged?
both have around the same offset? 3/8"
later upgrades?
CB's wide 5 kit have a diff spindle that goes with their brake kits only.
Can I buy a disc brake kit from Airkewld later on to use on a drum spindles? |
If you purchase spindles now, from either of us, you will not be able to install disc brakes on their spindles. The brake kits are proprietary to their spindles.
You can purchase drum drop spindles now and buy disc brakes from us later and it will bolt on with out issue.
Also, we are having a Black Friday sale this friday where you can get 10% off with coupon code BLACK2009. I hope this helps!
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pupjoint
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: |
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thanks, i reread yr site, it says designed in the USA...
are they forged or cast?
#3022 1966-79 Beetle & Ghia Drop Drum Spindles *Pair*
DRUM APPLICATION Priced per pair! You need 68 and later bearings and tie rods ends for these spindles to be bolt on. In stock!
For all 1966-68 model beetle's & Ghia's will need the bearings & tierods.
They add 3/8" of track width to each side. "Terms & Conditions"
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Jerry Hundley
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Airkewld Spindles or CB Performance |
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| Airkewld wrote: | | pupjoint wrote: | Looking to buy a set of ball joint dropped spindles for my other vehicle.
i know CB's unit has been around for some time.
Any idea on Airkewld's unit? they are both priced around the same. I cheked their site, they have veryice looking kits, with lifetime warranty on the rotor, but only looking for spindles now.
Are they both forged?
both have around the same offset? 3/8"
later upgrades?
CB's wide 5 kit have a diff spindle that goes with their brake kits only.
Can I buy a disc brake kit from Airkewld later on to use on a drum spindles? |
If you purchase spindles now, from either of us, you will not be able to install disc brakes on their spindles. The brake kits are proprietary to their spindles.
You can purchase drum drop spindles now and buy disc brakes from us later and it will bolt on with out issue.
Also, we are having a Black Friday sale this friday where you can get 10% off with coupon code BLACK2009. I hope this helps! |
so your disk brake kit will work on someone elses drum brake spindles???
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Airkewld
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Airkewld Spindles or CB Performance |
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| Jerry Hundley wrote: | | Airkewld wrote: | | pupjoint wrote: | Looking to buy a set of ball joint dropped spindles for my other vehicle.
i know CB's unit has been around for some time.
Any idea on Airkewld's unit? they are both priced around the same. I cheked their site, they have veryice looking kits, with lifetime warranty on the rotor, but only looking for spindles now.
Are they both forged?
both have around the same offset? 3/8"
later upgrades?
CB's wide 5 kit have a diff spindle that goes with their brake kits only.
Can I buy a disc brake kit from Airkewld later on to use on a drum spindles? |
If you purchase spindles now, from either of us, you will not be able to install disc brakes on their spindles. The brake kits are proprietary to their spindles.
You can purchase drum drop spindles now and buy disc brakes from us later and it will bolt on with out issue.
Also, we are having a Black Friday sale this friday where you can get 10% off with coupon code BLACK2009. I hope this helps! |
so your disk brake kit will work on someone elses drum brake spindles??? |
yes
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I have set of 2" lowered ball joint spindles made for drum brakes that I don't need.
PM me
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More specifically, would your wide 5 balljoint discs fit on CB's balljoint drop spindles?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| pupjoint wrote: |
are they forged or cast?
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... and the OPs question?
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Bruce
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The CB spindles are CAST IRON.
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| Airkewld wrote: | | Sigurd wrote: | | More specifically, would your wide 5 balljoint discs fit on CB's balljoint drop spindles? |
Yes. With any of the Wilwood caliper combination's. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: |
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An in general comment - no matter what set you buy it will be one of the best things you can do for your bug for looks and handling.
When the spindles first came out I bought a pair, from who I forget it has been so long ago, like 19 years, the off set was crazy. So bad I could not have a passenger in my car on turns or the tires would rub. I put Creative Car Craft fenders on all four that went away. Also put Ghia disks on which was a simple bolt on and a vast improvement over the drums.
Mine are cast iron but with all the factors the same like cost and off set I would go with forged. It seems to me that would be the only determining factor.
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While you're in here, Pete, a few more.
1. Given a wide-5, b/j, drum drop spindle front end, what is the track increase with each caliper; the standard, the 2-piston and the 4-piston?
2. Which calipers will a 67 dual circuit master and stock rear drums work best with? Can the stock master be used at all?
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| Sigurd wrote: | While you're in here, Pete, a few more.
1. Given a wide-5, b/j, drum drop spindle front end, what is the track increase with each caliper; the standard, the 2-piston and the 4-piston?
2. Which calipers will a 67 dual circuit master and stock rear drums work best with? Can the stock master be used at all? |
B/J Drop Spindles will kick the wheels out 3/8" on each side. The 0 offset does not add any track width but it does not negate the track width associated with the drop spindles.
the 2 and 4 piston Wilwood calipers at 3/8" to each side.
I would not recommend a stock master with any disc configuration. The spring rate does not help remove the fluid from inside the master like the Disc master that we offer. The factory spring does not have enough "umph" to release the calipers.
But as used for years, a 69 and later master can work with a residual valve. Even though some use it with out, the product could work that much better with the valves. How ever, with the new master, you no longer need them.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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FWIW, the 67 I bought this spring already had a CB wide-5 disc brake kit installed on the front that included the dropped spindles, using the original 67 master (stock drums on the rear). I'm very pleased with the performance of these, the pedal has good feel and the brakes are easy to modulate at the limit. Not in the VW world, but I have driven other old cars with aftermarket brake conversions and upgrades that either have pedal feel that is too spongy or too sensitive. The operation of the CB brakes is a pleasant surprise.
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Ok, with your disc master in place, can I run stock rear drums off of that?
Your website also lists four calipers; standard, 1-, 2-, and 4-piston. The standard is the Ghia?
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| Sigurd wrote: | | Ok, with your disc master in place, can I run stock rear drums off of that? |
Yes
| Sigurd wrote: | | Your website also lists four calipers; standard, 1-, 2-, and 4-piston. The standard is the Ghia? |
You can not use ghia calipers with the wide 5 application, but yes the ghia is the standard application with most of the kits.
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| I know this is old but I need to know ... I have the Airkweld drop spindles for a 69 bj. Can I use regular ate claipers ? |
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