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spray and pray
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 Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: has used a Wasser boxer on there buggy?? |
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like the title says. has any one used a Wasser boxer on there buggy. because im really thinking of doing this and i wanted to know if any one has done this before, and what you all think of this besides that im crazy
sorry for the title, i didint notice that i didint put any one  |
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BL3Manx
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure about wasser boxer in buggies but have seen many water cooled Subaru engines used. I've also seen many wasser boxer engines in Vanagons replaced with Subaru engines. |
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spray and pray
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| i was thinking since people are using subaru engines to power there buggys, why cant i use my wasser boxer. i dont wont to go with a subaru enigne because i want to stick with my wasser boxer since i didint have to pay a thing for it |
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BL3Manx
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen more subaru engines in long wheel base buggies than short. I think it mostly has to to with the need for more power in a longer/heavier buggy, but they also have more room to install a radiator and still have useable room.
I can't think why you couldn't put a wasser boxer in a buggy, but it would be very complex and an enormous amount more work than an air cooled Type 1 with probably less reliability. |
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spray and pray
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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i think i can get this done, it may take a long time, but i think i can do this. i may even see if i can get my brothers freind Eric to build me a custom body  |
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didget69
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Guys in Europe/Germany have put Wasserleaker motors in Beetles/Ghias/Type 3's/the dumpster/etc., in years past.
I don't want to dissuade you from using the motor you have, since you haven't spent any money on it - but if you keep it long enough, YOU WILL spend some money on it... it's not really a great choice for a buggy motor, but it's your choice to use it.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| i plan on upgrading it to GoWesty parts later in the future. but for now im just going to cam it and do all the little thing to it, to make it better |
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didget69
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know that there are many 'speed parts' available for the Wasserleaker here in the States...
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spray and pray
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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ive been doing alot of research on them and and came across a post by tencentlife
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There's several parts on the wbx that are the same size as a T1, so you can shop for some upgrades on the T1 aftermarket:
Cam, cam gears, cam bearings. Lifters are T4
Oil pump
Connecting rod bearings. The rods are the same length, but the wrist pin is 24mm, rather than a T1 22mm.
Rocker parts and valve covers
In a 1.9 case, main bearings #2, 3, 4. The #1 thrust bearing is the same as a T4.
If your 1.9 case is oversize, Boston Bob can supply a #1 if you can't locate a wbx set.
2.1 cases have a different type of bearing, tang-located, and embedded thrust shims on the #1. No interchangeability with any other VW boxer. |
so performance parts a covered i have a DH wich is a 1.9L and the last year they made the 1.9L |
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didget69
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... good luck!
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GS guy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Used to be a forum for using the wasser case for an air cooled build, using many T1 parts. Maybe it was on the STF? Not sure if it's still around.
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didget69
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There was an article in Hot VW's a couple years ago about running the Wasserleaker case (after mucho machine work) as an aircooled case.
Not cheap or easy, but can be done - and it would go against what the OP is wishing to do.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: hvws |
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Here are HVW's back issues to check out in your quest
July 2005 - air cooling the wasserboxer
Feb 1983 - a look at the h2o boxer
several vw's have been featured with this conversion :
Jan 1993 was the Wassernotch
Sep 1997 a Wasser Ghia
and in May 2004 there was a Super Beetle
Keep us in the loop !
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| spray and pray wrote: |
| i plan on upgrading it to GoWesty parts later in the future. but for now im just going to cam it and do all the little thing to it, to make it better |
If you mean you're going to change the cam you can't do that without a full strip down anyway so you may as well rebuild the motor with new bearings etc. while it's in bits IMO. Pesonally I'd sell it to someone who needs one for a bus and look for a running air-cooled motor that'd cause you a lot less time and hassle to install. |
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wythac
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| As a proud owner of both a Vanagon and an aircooled clonebuggy, I agree with some other posters here that you should see if you can trade the Wasserboxer for a T1 or T4 AC motor. |
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spray and pray
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| manxdavid wrote: |
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| i plan on upgrading it to GoWesty parts later in the future. but for now im just going to cam it and do all the little thing to it, to make it better |
If you mean you're going to change the cam you can't do that without a full strip down anyway so you may as well rebuild the motor with new bearings etc. while it's in bits IMO. Pesonally I'd sell it to someone who needs one for a bus and look for a running air-cooled motor that'd cause you a lot less time and hassle to install. |
i all ready have it striped down as we speak. it is sitting in a box in the closet |
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tpinthepack
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Spray and Pray,
What is your strategy for the radiator. I am following this thread. I like any transplant that uses VW stuff, so this sounds fun. I have a 2.1 Wasser in my 90 Doka, it makes good power. Buggy should be nice. The throttle body on the original injection will need to be worked on for a buggy if it goes off road.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: recipe help |
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check this out, good way to keep it all in the back.
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spray and pray
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i was going to do some thing like that. there was a picture up here some where that showed a idea on how to put a radiator behind the seats, but i dont remember who put it up here |
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spray and pray: hows your conversion going? I am in the process myself of building a wasserboxer in a squareback as we speak. I would like any ideas of what worked and what didnt. I also have had a 2.1L MV turnkey donated by my boss for the project. How did the cooling system turn out? How about any unforseen expenses?
Keep us posted.
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