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Bobnotch Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 10694 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| localboy wrote: |
| You said you use a 50K BTU heater. What kind? I have one of those propane construction heaters, but I've heard they put out humidity and CO as part of the combustion. Now no one laugh, 'cause I'm asking; remember, where I come from heaters are "What's a heater?" |
I use a 50K torpedo style heater, propane fired. Kerosene leaves an oily residue on everything, so I don't use them, and I'm too lazy to chop wood (also don't care for the mess it makes). A 20 lb bottle lasts between 8 and 10 hours, so I can stay out there for a while. Brian (66311) stopped by right before christmas, and I had the up to almost 80 while we were out there BSing. That day, we almost got up to 30 for a high, and it was about 40 out there when I first fired off the heater. I also have a reverseable ceiling fan, so I can move the air around.
I haven't noticed a humidity issue, except in the spring when my shop floor sweats. Since my building (wood with insulation, vapor barrior, and paneling) isn't 100% airtight, I don't really worry about it too much, as the paint fumes are harder on the body, since they're catalyzed. The biggest issue is getting everything up to temperature before painting. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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localboy Samba Longboarder
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have one of those too; 40K BTU/hr and looks like a 50's jet engine. Kinda noisy but it works. The CO detector upstairs in the house has never gone off when I use it. _________________ Aloha..."Eddie would go."
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original paint Pearl White '66 Westy SO-42
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Bobnotch Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 10694 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I did get a little work done over the weekend. I started the rear apron swap on Krunchy. These first 2 shots are the reason why, as the "bondo meister" was busy before I got the car, as can be seen.
Needless to say, I cut the area out so I could see how much rust was hiding. I didn't see much, but then the "superior" undercoating didn't cover much.
I plan to sand and epoxy prime this area, after I finish straightening it out some, then it'll get a coat of Nutria brown like the rest of the car, then I'll cap it off with the rear apron piece below.
I've still got more work to do to it, but it's coming along. Still have more blocking to do, even if it'll be mostly hidden by the rear bumper. My short term goal is to have this all sealled up by the end of March, so I can get back to so other things on my list that I want to do.
By the way, these are the first shots with the new digi camera. I also had to get photoshop, so I could resize the pics, but it's better than scanning and posting I suppose.  _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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Seanz0rz Samba Member

Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Redlands
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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for resizing pictures:
if you use windows XP, there is a powertoy to do that for you just through a right click. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx this is officially from microsoft, so it is safe to use
if you use vista or 7: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/imag...dows-7.ars this one is not directly from microsoft, but i trust the source and use it on my computer with 64-bit windows 7.
if you use a mac i have no idea.
back on topic, i love the picture showing the fan through the bellows. to someone who is very new to ACVW and the type 3, this helps to explain much about the body structure of the rear end and the purpose of those louvers on the side! thanks, and absolutely beautiful work! _________________ -Sean
1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
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Bobnotch Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that part of the car never really got anything done with it back when all the other work was getting done. I picked up the part from Russ back in 2008, but never had any time to mess with it. This winter has been slow (and very cold with 12 inches of snow currently on the ground), so I've been working on it slowly over the winter. Cutting the old piece out was what I needed to focus my attention on getting back to it. Well that, and spring is just around the corner for us. I'd mainly been working on prepping the replacement piece, as it was pretty bent up (not faulting Russ), and I figured it would be easier working on it on the bench. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member

Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25689 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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You saw it when you stopped with Krunchy on your way home. So you knew what it was. And you yourself cut it out of the other car.  _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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jlew Samba Member

Joined: October 22, 2008 Posts: 232 Location: Central VA
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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great work!! Looking good.
question for the gurus... why does my notch not have an apron like this? The bottom of the rear of the car by the exhaust looks factory - no evident bodywork, but no apron. my notch was delivered to Keil Germany in 12/67... she's a 68 MY.
can provide pics if you really wanna see.
Sorry, not tryin to hijack this thread!!  _________________ 1968 Notchback |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I have never seen one that did not have the lower part of the apron. Unless it had been cut off by a PO.
Many times, to put a custom exhaust on, they were cut off. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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jlew Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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in this case Russ, I totally believe you. You're like a t3 god in some parts!
the PO or the PO PO did great metal work, it looks perfect!
Thanks!!!! _________________ 1968 Notchback |
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Bobnotch Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 10694 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Some updates. I did sand the inside portion of the air ducts, and got them epoxy primed off (sorry no pic, I just forgot). I first finished removing the last remains of the "superior" undercoating, wiped it down with laquer thinner, then wax and grease remover, then primed it. I had to do some pulling to get the middle of the lip to meet the "new" apron, as it was still pushed in from the original crash damage that happened many years ago (probably while the car was still in Canada ). Once I got it where I liked it, I then final fitted the apron. Up to that point, I was test fitting to check everything. Remember, this "new" apron was cut off a 69 Square, so it didn't fit exactly like one from a Notch would. Once I was satisfied, I tacked it on, then welded it in place. Here's a couple of shots on how it looks now.
A good portion of the prep work (mostly K-36 primer) ended up coming back off due to it getting a little warm behind it in some spots (where the lip joins the apron), but then part of the primer didn't grab as well as it should have (probably the cold temps we had last month working against me, and me not being out there everyday working on it, and heating the shop). No matter, I'd rather have it fail now (actually earlier this week) rather than 3 or 4 months from now. It's currently got it's last coat of K-36 on it drying right now, then it'll get sanded, and 1 more coat of DP to seal it. Then it'll be ready for paint. Yes, there was an outward dent in it in the above pics, but I took it out yesterday, so it's now gone. I don't know if it'll get painted sunday, or if it'll be monday, but I did bring the rear fenders back in, so it's getting close. Then I can reassemble that part of the car, and move on to prepping for a clear coat (the entire car). We'll just have to wait and see how far I get, as I've got a FI repair job to do on a Chevy saturday. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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Bobnotch Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Russ Wolfe wrote: |
You saw it when you stopped with Krunchy on your way home. So you knew what it was. And you yourself cut it out of the other car.  |
I know, I know. I'm not complaining about it at all. It was pretty beat up though, but then a tractor will do that, even if they are your neighbors. I just beat and banged on it for a few days until it went back in place (unfolded). I knew it was bent when I cut ot off. At least it wasn't full of holes with bondo pushed thru and skimmed a 1/4 thick like my original one. That's why I got it from you.  _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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notchboy Samba Member

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localboy Samba Longboarder
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nice. I was wondering about the primer THEN weld. Wondered why and how the primer would hold up to the heat. Is it done so the inside is coated as well as possible? _________________ Aloha..."Eddie would go."
Black '65 Resto-Custom S Notch 2110 cc powered
original paint Pearl White '66 Westy SO-42
Allstate single-wheel trailer project
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peaceful warrior Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Nice work Bob! Good way to get yourself back in the mood!  _________________ "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein
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66311 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Not rubbing it in but how's the weather there? Are you gonna be driving it in April to John's? |
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Bobnotch Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| localboy wrote: |
| Nice. I was wondering about the primer THEN weld. Wondered why and how the primer would hold up to the heat. Is it done so the inside is coated as well as possible? |
I just lightly ground where I was going to weld, and left the primer in place. The entire inside (both the body and the apron) are sealed in epoxy primer, so it shouldn't rust. I mean the factory didn't put much paint in there either, except thru the cooling boot opening, so I've got more on there now. My problem was in the middle, where I was over head welding between the bottom of the apron, and the muffler. It's a tight space, but add in the overhead portion, and you get a little more heat build up than you want.
I think the one layer of DP got sanded smooth, then the next layer didn't quite totally harden (due to temp loss) before the K-36 coats that were acting as filler were applied. I've got very little filler in that apron, and none across the bottom half. I had it pretty close on the bench, and it just needed a litle fine tuning after installation on the car.
Thanks for the compliments though, I needed to get motivated. It's been a long 2.5 months of cold and white around here. I feel better working on the car, and making progress.  _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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69SquareGuy Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
...I feel better working on the car, and making progress.  |
A little progress never hurt anybody. Looks good.  _________________ '65 Squareback - Sally
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Bobnotch Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| 66311 wrote: |
| Not rubbing it in but how's the weather there? Are you gonna be driving it in April to John's? |
Yesterday (thursday) was 63, and today was 55, so it's getting nice. Most of the white is gone, with a few patches here and there, and a LOT of water where there was snow. We actually need some rain to wash the salt off the roads, but we're still not done with winter around here. We've still got at least 2 more weeks of it to go.
I didn't know what I was taking to John's, as he hasn't told me what I need to bring with me. I had been looking at taking the Astro though, as it doesn't get many miles on it anymore, since I got the "Rusty Notch Hauler". That will probably go back on the road after Johnfest, so it can get ready to go to Russ's at the end of April.
Krunchy usually goes on the road after we've had several good rains, and overnight lows in the upper 30's (2nd week of April), or about a month away. So I guess I need to get off my ass and get busy. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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Bobnotch Samba Member

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