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mmdingman Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Metro Detroit
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: vanagon doesnt trip the fuel pump auto-shutoff in time |
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when I fill up my 85 Vanagon, the auto-shut-off of fuel pumps trip, but too late. A little fuel spills out afterward.
I'm not versed on fuel systems... is a breather hose at fault? I plan on doing the tank reseal/ new hose routine this spring, maybe that'll fix it.
Anyone had the same problem? _________________ 85 Wesfalia Wolfsburg (2009ish - present)
87 Syncro Hardtop (1997 -2010ish) |
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bbbjim Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2006 Posts: 44
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I've done the fuel tank reseal and still have the spit back. I've always had it and just make sure I stand back . I admit I have set up a couple of friends by telling them to "stand right here". I have had luck with running the the pump myself and cutting it off when I hear the whoosh. Jim _________________ 1987 Westy aka Moon Shadow
1966 Delux aka Cloud Woman |
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camerahunter Samba Member
Joined: July 23, 2009 Posts: 567 Location: Tacoma
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I always fill by gallons, not by dollar amount, and not until completely full.
I think the tank holds 15 gallons total? So by looking at the gauge I always try to leave room for one gallon of air or more.
To answer your question, yes, all mine do that if I let it go until the auto shut off.
David _________________ 1984 - Daily driver |
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presslab Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2008 Posts: 1730 Location: Sonoma County
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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There is a newer fill tube on 88+ vans (I think) that has a ball in the end to keep this from happening. I installed one on my 86 and it never spits gas anymore. _________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia EJ25
1988 Subaru GL-10 EJ20G --- 2000 Honda XR650L
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mmdingman Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Metro Detroit
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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thanks thanks thanks! _________________ 85 Wesfalia Wolfsburg (2009ish - present)
87 Syncro Hardtop (1997 -2010ish) |
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Reckless Amateur Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2009 Posts: 218 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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How funny. My mechanic and I have been trying to figure this out today. Sounds like the newer fuel fill pipe is the solution--but I've searched GW, Bus Depot and Van Cafe and can't find what I think you're referring to (Bentley says it's the filler pipe? or is if the filler neck? or what?). So Presslab, what is it exactly and where can I find one? Hope we can get to the bottom of this one. I'm tired of fuel burps! _________________ 91 Bostig-powered Westy (automatic)
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kshbaja Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2008 Posts: 476 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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I second the comment about the fill tube with the float ball working very well. I replaced mine recently with one off a 91 from the junkyard and have no problem any longer. _________________ 1986 Westfalia |
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Reckless Amateur Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2009 Posts: 218 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like it's off to the junkyard to find one, then? It's what Bentley calls the filler pipe that goes right into the fuel tank, right? _________________ 91 Bostig-powered Westy (automatic)
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mmdingman Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Metro Detroit
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:22 am Post subject: |
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the parts catalog doesnt help... there are two gas filler pipe part numbers listed fro 86-91 and three for 85 & earlier. One of the two pipes under 86-91 says 'unleaded fuel only restriction', so if I had to guess, I'd say that would be it. Doesnt explain the model year breakpoint we're observing here though. anyway, that filler pipe is 251 201 129a _________________ 85 Wesfalia Wolfsburg (2009ish - present)
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: |
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The nozzle shutoff port is on the lower end of the tip. So, as it nears full, you have to lift the nozzle handle upward. This tilts the tip downward where it will be immersed in the liquid as the level comes up the filler. This technique works to make them shut off, but you can't walk away, you have to be there to hold up the nozzle at the end.
This has been discussed plenty around here, the old hands all know it already, I'm surprised no one has "filled" you all in! _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
https://intrepidoverland.com/vanistan/
Please don't PM here, I will not reply.
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Reckless Amateur Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2009 Posts: 218 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, TenCent. So I don't need to replace the fill tube, just practice my technique, huh? Certainly a lot cheaper. _________________ 91 Bostig-powered Westy (automatic)
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tencentlife Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, technique is free. Works for me! _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
https://intrepidoverland.com/vanistan/
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I just did the fuel tank reseal; not too difficult but messy for sure. I only splashed gasoline in my face once. I'd done all my reading (thanks Kayakwesty!!) and was surprised by how puny-looking the tank is once you get it on the ground.
I was hoping that the reseal would keep gas from coming out on fillup, but I still got the splash. (After reading this thread I see why.) I was able to fill up to just under 15 gallons. Is that normal? I know the tank is allegedly 16 gallons, so I'm wondering why it would take a full fill-up.
Any luck on finding the fuel filler neck in somebody's NOS? Late model u-pull-it Vanagons are getting very rare in these parts...
Thanks! _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
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Reckless Amateur Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2009 Posts: 218 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Hey, I just installed the later model filler neck and (at least after a couple fillups) it seems to have done the trick. No more burp. (The "technique" wasn't doing the trick.) I found it in the classifieds--just post a WTB and see what happens. Cheers. _________________ 91 Bostig-powered Westy (automatic)
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jmranger Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2010 Posts: 701 Location: Quebec
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Reckless Amateur wrote: |
Hey, I just installed the later model filler neck and (at least after a couple fillups) it seems to have done the trick. No more burp. |
Any part number you can share, and/or visual cues to recognize the right part ? Pictures would be great.
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Reckless Amateur Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Comparing the one from the 87 I had and the one I got from a 1990, I think, the newer one had a ping pong ball float at the end which I don't thing the 87 did. If that helps. _________________ 91 Bostig-powered Westy (automatic)
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jmranger Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2010 Posts: 701 Location: Quebec
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Reckless Amateur wrote: |
Comparing the one from the 87 I had and the one I got from a 1990, I think, the newer one had a ping pong ball float at the end which I don't thing the 87 did. If that helps. |
Almost a mug shot
BusDepot and Frank Condelli have the 251 201 129a part named earlier in the thread. But be sure to be seated before looking at the price... |
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Perales Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 2046 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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tencentlife wrote: |
The nozzle shutoff port is on the lower end of the tip. So, as it nears full, you have to lift the nozzle handle upward. This tilts the tip downward where it will be immersed in the liquid as the level comes up the filler. This technique works to make them shut off, but you can't walk away, you have to be there to hold up the nozzle at the end.
This has been discussed plenty around here, the old hands all know it already, I'm surprised no one has "filled" you all in! |
A picture is worth a few more words.
This technique also lets the displaced air out of the tank so it doesn't burp up.
_________________ -- 1987 Westfalia automatic (Captain Vino) |
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I've tried the nozzle technique but I've never been able to get it to work. Generally what I've always done is slow the gas flow down to a trickle as I'm estimating that the tank is almost full. That's the only way I've found to not have it splash out.
I found a used fill tube from a '90. I'll report back after I've installed and filled up. _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Available Now! Vanagon to Louisiana--A Two-Lane Reckoning Through Past and Present
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jmranger Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Perales wrote: |
A picture is worth a few more words.
This technique also lets the displaced air out of the tank so it doesn't burp up.
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Merci Perales.
Haven't tried the technique yet - van smells gas when full, so a reseal is in order, and full fill-ups are to be avoided in the meantime. But if I find the right part at the right price, I'll change it at the same time. |
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