Joined: March 28, 2009 Posts: 2291 Location: Oakton VA
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:25 am Post subject:
There are many ways to adjust rope. I just pulled a 14000lb 40ft boat off a rocky beach in FL with these and rope plus a come-along. You just need to find one with a high load rating.
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 2806 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:15 am Post subject:
> The pin should be in the tow hook. This keeps the possibility of the pin unscrewing down. A 3/4 shackle with a higher WLL can be used as well.
thanks! learned something new, and yes, I confirmed the 3/4 shackle fits the way you pin it.. at the rear of the van.
The 3/4 shackle wont work with the pin thru the front tow loop, it will install but rides too far back from the actual loop..
the 3/4 shackle will work with the D ring thru the front tow loop.. (and the pin should be half a turn loose to prevent it getting overtightened by the pull)
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 449 Location: Langley, BC, Canada
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject:
The synthetic stuff is amazing and waaaay safer than chain/cable, but it's not UV safe, so keep it stored out of the sun. A heavy bag is fine for this, or any cabinet inside the van.
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Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 869 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject:
Alaric.H wrote:
There are many ways to adjust rope. I just pulled a 14000lb 40ft boat off a rocky beach in FL with these and rope plus a come-along. You just need to find one with a high load rating.
Just out of curiosity...What role did the breaker bar rack play in a winching operation? That's a breaking device, not a pulling device. _________________ '89 Syncro Westy
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Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 562 Location: Orange, CA
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject:
Regarding using the Hi-Lift as a winch: The Hi-Lift videos state that either chain or tow strap can be used on both ends. How does it work with a strap on the side that winches? How would the strap be shortened after each winch "cycle?"
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 2806 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:43 am Post subject:
You can use a Hi lift Jack with a strap at EITHER end, but NOT BOTH ends at the same time. You are correct, if you dont use chain at one of the ends, you would have no way to adjust the length of the pull.
here is an alternative to the hilift as a lifting tool
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 562 Location: Orange, CA
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject:
Jon_slider wrote:
You can use a Hi lift Jack with a strap at EITHER end, but NOT BOTH ends at the same time. You are correct, if you dont use chain at one of the ends, you would have no way to adjust the length of the pull.
Joined: June 03, 2009 Posts: 549 Location: York, ME
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject:
squeegee_boy wrote:
The synthetic stuff is amazing and waaaay safer than chain/cable, but it's not UV safe, so keep it stored out of the sun. A heavy bag is fine for this, or any cabinet inside the van.
Robyn
THANK YOU!
NEVER pull with Chain. NEVER. Never pull or tug with cable from a winch. Chain and cables are not designed for shock loads in a recovery situation.
Mounting a Hi-Lift outside the rig is good if you keep it free of debris and grit. If you live here in New England it MUST be bagged or just kept inside.
It does look pretty beefy to run them on the bumper or rack, but you will pay the price when it comes time to use it down the road.
This is coming from my 20+ years involved in Rovers, Cruisers and Jeeps and the recoveries that are always happening. been to many driving schools and taught many seminars on this stuff.
Be SAFE. PLEASE.
Before you just slap that high lift on the Vanagon, please read the manual. Read Bill Burke's Hi Lift How to stuff. Try the jack out on the van. Find out where you are comfortable.
ALWAYS LEAVE THAT HANDLE UP! We actually use Velcro straps to affix the handle to the Jack when between movements with it. I have seen too many accidents.
Be Safe.
Did I mention chain sketches me out? _________________ ...like a young Julie Andrews all whacked out on PCP, kinda fun but kinda scary too
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 562 Location: Orange, CA
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject:
So, I decided to mount my hi-lift inside the van. It sure doesn't look as cool as having it on the outside , but it stays out of the elements, away from thieves, and off my van's already laden ass-end. Passenger seat can slide/recline all the way back and curtain operates normally.
It's about as simple as I could make it (although it took my feeble mind a lot of Home Depot time, staring blankly in the parts isle to figure it out). Just a couple of basic corner braces, some hardware, and a little cutting/drilling.
The base of the jack is cupped by the braces on the floor, and then a 1/2" bolt/spacer through the standard secures it quite solidly.
It's very unobtrusive. Plus next to it is normally a tool box (or porta-potty if GF is along), so it was otherwise unusable space.
Gave it a nice test run last weekend in the desert and it never moved… inadvertently or purposely .
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 2806 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:33 am Post subject:
> NEVER pull with Chain. NEVER. Never pull or tug with cable from a winch. Chain and cables are not designed for shock loads in a recovery situation.
"recovery" can mean yanking, but it can also mean winching
"pull" can mean yanking, but it can also mean towing
When using the HiLift as a Winch I think you will agree, you DO want chain or winch line, that does NOT stretch..
And when towing you also want chain or winch line that does NOT stretch.
The time for a stretchy pull with a snatch or recovery strap is when you are jerking the load, like when one vehicle connects a snatch strap to another, leaving the strap slack, and then takes a running start to yank the stuck vehicle out.. stretch is your friend there..
notice they use Chain, you do NOT want to use a Hi Lift with a recovery strap that stretches.. only with a non stretching Tow strap.. or sometimes you use a tree strap to anchor the HiLift, tree straps do not stretch like recovery straps
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Joined: June 03, 2009 Posts: 549 Location: York, ME
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:54 am Post subject:
Jon_slider wrote:
> NEVER pull with Chain. NEVER. Never pull or tug with cable from a winch. Chain and cables are not designed for shock loads in a recovery situation.
"recovery" can mean yanking, but it can also mean winching
"pull" can mean yanking, but it can also mean towing
When using the HiLift as a Winch I think you will agree, you DO want chain or winch line, that does NOT stretch..
And when towing you also want chain or winch line that does NOT stretch.
The time for a stretchy pull with a snatch or recovery strap is when you are jerking the load, like when one vehicle connects a snatch strap to another, leaving the strap slack, and then takes a running start to yank the stuck vehicle out.. stretch is your friend there..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPmu7fsqC6w
But stretch is not your friend when using a HiLift to winch or pull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTVO6-LNXc
notice they say "chain or tow strap", a tow strap does not stretch like a snatch strap or "recovery strap" (however in the video they say tow strap one time, and then misuse the term recovery strap later.. you do NOT want to use a Hi Lift with a recovery strap that stretches.. only with a non stretching Tow strap
I would never use a chain to winch...using a Hi-Lift or an actual winch. Use an approved cable or Poly rope.
As an aside, anyone who actually winches using their hi-lift must be in dire straights...or have a TON of time on their hands LOL. _________________ ...like a young Julie Andrews all whacked out on PCP, kinda fun but kinda scary too
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: HI lift
On my syncro I cary the jack in my roof rack hold it down with 2 yakima straps works good! _________________ 1987 syncro westy tin top sun roof GW2.3 rear locker decoupler custom bumper roof rack Gary Lee tire rack lift south african grill big brakes rhein alloy 15 BFG AT 617 gears ShadyBoy awning 140 watt rear 85 watt front solar mppt truckfridge automatic fire extinguishing system - 2010 Subaru turbo - 1993 Toyota 4x4 truck - 1999 Harley - Dodge 4500 4x4- 1987 tin top westy Jetta 2.0 ABA 1.8 head, 55 watt solar automatic fire extinguishing system -Just sold my 84 Westy
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, but it stays out of the elements, away from thieves, and off my van's already laden ass-end. Passenger seat can slide/recline all the way back and curtain operates normally.
On my syncro I cary the jack in my roof rack hold it down with 2 yakima straps works good! 