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Taffy
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 Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: Rear axle nut R/H or L/H thread? |
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Hi,
I know I'm not the first to ask, but are the 46mm rear axle castellated nuts Right hand or Left hand thread? There are conflicting answers on the forum, and I haven't been able to find anything in the Bentley Manual.
(1972 Westfalia) I've just spent a few hours using a 4 feet cheater bar and my 210lbs trying to loosen them off but to no avail. (Tried both directions!)
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busdaddy
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RH thread, keep beating.
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Mountain Minstrel
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Keep trying...it took my whole family of four (the two kids probably only weighed 80 between them) bouncing in unison on a 4' cheater bar. The driver’s side was easier as we could hold on to the bus for balance. I am sure that the neighbors got a great laugh out of it.
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wampe
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I will send my 600 pound gorilla!.......I was lucky, was able to get them off by myself. The brake drums came right off also. Someone had been careful to grease everything when it was last apart.   |
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Justin
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I use the Empi axle nut tool and a maul. Works great but you have to watch out for the paint on the wheel and the fender.
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SGKent 
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Empi style tool. We broke a 1" breakerbar without one trying to get one of ours off. The problem is that you need a shear force spike to start it and only something that you can keep pressure on and at the same time put a good blow from a hammer into works.
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wampe
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I used an iron 24" pipe wrench with a 2 1/2" by 36" sch. 80 pipe on the end for a cheater bar. Nothing even came close to bending. It popped the nuts right off.  |
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Mountain Minstrel
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| I will send my 600 pound gorilla!.......I was lucky, was able to get them off by myself. The brake drums came right off also. Someone had been careful to grease everything when it was last apart. |
In my case the drum on the driver's side came off real easy as it had spun. The passenger side still wasn't that difficult to get off (a true piece of cake compared to four people trying to balance and jumb on that cheater bar in unison). It is twenty years later and both of my daughters remeber that event. don't ever say that buses don't provide lasting memories, 
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bsairhead
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| If the bus is a roller, put your breaker bar with 4 foot cheater 30 degrees or so above horizontal and push,forward for RH and backwards for LH. Better yet if it's a driver let the engine do the work. |
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SGKent
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| used an iron 24" pipe wrench with a 2 1/2" by 36" sch. 80 pipe on the end for a cheater bar. Nothing even came close to bending. It popped the nuts right off. |
If you could do that with plastic pipe the nuts weren't torqued last time or they were done recently.
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| At my shop we used a 6' pipe and stood on it and bounced a little. If that didn't work a helper whacked on the socket bar at the same time. |
I weigh 275. Standing 3' out and bouncing that is about 1200 pounds on the breaker. Cathy wacked the 1" breaker bar as I bounced and that is how we broke it. I figure it probably saw closed to 1400 pounds on the nut that wouldn't budge. Fortunately I was also hanging onto the gutter rail so I caught myself when it snapped.
That Empi tool or one like it is the only way I know to get a really strong whack into the nut.
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greenbus pilot
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| used an iron 24" pipe wrench with a 2 1/2" by 36" sch. 80 pipe on the end for a cheater bar. Nothing even came close to bending. It popped the nuts right off. |
If you could do that with plastic pipe the nuts weren't torqued last time or they were done recently. |
Schedule 80 pipe comes in steel or plastic. I would imagine steel is a little stronger....
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| The axle nut on the bus is 46mm. That tool works on 36mm nuts only. |
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Taffy
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Thanks guys , once you had confirmed it was a right hand thread, I borrowed a 46mm "slogger" spanner from a mate, then with the help of a 7lb hammer and a bit of sweat, I managed to crack those nuts! Job done!
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Wildthings
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| Taffy wrote: |
Thanks guys , once you had confirmed it was a right hand thread, I borrowed a 46mm "slogger" spanner from a mate, then with the help of a 7lb hammer and a bit of sweat, I managed to crack those nuts! Job done!
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I have been looking for one of those for quite a while. Gone through many piles of old tools hoping to find one. So far no luck over here in the land of archaic fasteners. |
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greenevilleVW
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I am having a hard time with my passengers side rear axle nut as well. Is heat not recommended?
Also, is there an aftermarket axle nut that would make this easier in the future. Perhaps with a locking allen or something? |
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