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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject: Mid-Engine Chassis |
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I'm contemplating building mid-engine chassis from scratch. Does anyone have any detailed photos of your mid-engine car? Does anyone have any schematics for them? I'm in the information gathering phase, so any information is good information. _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
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baja72 Samba Member
Joined: January 17, 2008 Posts: 456 Location: Bremen , Ga.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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You might be able to find an old mid-engine rail and graft that in and go from there. _________________ I suffer from a serious disorder : Volkswagenitis |
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drmiller100 Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2010 Posts: 384 Location: Boise Idaho
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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i think an older mid engine formula ford would be a good thing to copy.... |
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ataim Samba Member
Joined: June 17, 2009 Posts: 219 Location: Fort Worth
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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None of the companies referenced seem to be in business any more. At least the websites are all dead. The project I have in mind will be along the vein of the Porsche 550, only with VW body parts (this is still a few years out). I just want to see how some of the established designs handle the engine/tranny cradle. _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
"Buy the best, cry once." -Gene Berg
"A cheap man will always buy the cheapest thing available, and then buys another one hoping for a better result, and then spends the rest of his life in misery complaining about it. A thrifty man will buy a good part once and never think about it again." -RockCrusher
"Don't feed the Shitty Parts Monster!" -Me |
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Is there anyone currently making a mid-engine chassis? Or better yet, selling plans? _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
"Buy the best, cry once." -Gene Berg
"A cheap man will always buy the cheapest thing available, and then buys another one hoping for a better result, and then spends the rest of his life in misery complaining about it. A thrifty man will buy a good part once and never think about it again." -RockCrusher
"Don't feed the Shitty Parts Monster!" -Me |
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turboblue Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2003 Posts: 4216 Location: Central Indiana
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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XTC still offers one.
http://www.xtc-motorsports.com/vw.htm
I have an old Appletree mid engine chassis that I sand drag race.
Forerunner of the XTC.
First one they ever built.
Serial #001 _________________ Gary
Turbo VW Sand Drag Buggy
"If you don't run into the Devil every once in awhile, you must be going in the same direction!" |
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have any photos of the engine/tranny area? _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
"Buy the best, cry once." -Gene Berg
"A cheap man will always buy the cheapest thing available, and then buys another one hoping for a better result, and then spends the rest of his life in misery complaining about it. A thrifty man will buy a good part once and never think about it again." -RockCrusher
"Don't feed the Shitty Parts Monster!" -Me |
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spize909 Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2010 Posts: 349 Location: Upland CA
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Would you like to get some close-ups of mine? I wasn't sure exactly what it was you were trying to do but I can snap whatever you want.
Here's what I have handy.
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turboblue Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2003 Posts: 4216 Location: Central Indiana
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:14 am Post subject: |
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spectre6000 wrote: |
Do you have any photos of the engine/tranny area? |
Don't have any close ups but my engine and tranny is mounted in 4 places.
Rear of tranny, bottom of bellhousing, top of engine at the bellhousing and front of engine.
My engine case is a universal version so there is tapped holes for the front mount.
I can pull engine out over the top side of the chassis and leave the tranny in or pull the tranny and leave the engine in.
I can take more pics but the engine is out at the moment.
_________________ Gary
Turbo VW Sand Drag Buggy
"If you don't run into the Devil every once in awhile, you must be going in the same direction!" |
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to see close ups and macros of the engine and chassis mounting areas as well as the suspension in relation. Thanks! _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
"Buy the best, cry once." -Gene Berg
"A cheap man will always buy the cheapest thing available, and then buys another one hoping for a better result, and then spends the rest of his life in misery complaining about it. A thrifty man will buy a good part once and never think about it again." -RockCrusher
"Don't feed the Shitty Parts Monster!" -Me |
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spize909 Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2010 Posts: 349 Location: Upland CA
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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spectre6000 wrote: |
I'd like to see close ups and macros of the engine and chassis mounting areas as well as the suspension in relation. Thanks! |
I'll try to get you some tomorrow. |
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earthquake Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2008 Posts: 3984 Location: SANDY VALLEY, NEVADA
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Has any body ever done a mid-engine with IRS before? I have never seen one but that not saying much. how about a front engine set up with porsche 924-944 drive train? you could stuff the motor out in the airstream and might not need any cooling gear, that would be different.
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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VW based front-engined trike with the engine out in the air stream. It would look pretty good if it weren't a trike.
http://www.oakes.co.uk/ _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
"Buy the best, cry once." -Gene Berg
"A cheap man will always buy the cheapest thing available, and then buys another one hoping for a better result, and then spends the rest of his life in misery complaining about it. A thrifty man will buy a good part once and never think about it again." -RockCrusher
"Don't feed the Shitty Parts Monster!" -Me |
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Wheel_Works Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2009 Posts: 347 Location: Michigan
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spize909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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ok, here's a few more.
Here's the mount at the trans/engine
Here's the bottom mount at the front...well I guess in a traditional install it'd be the back.
Trans mount at the rear of the tranny
And a couple more angles
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DWP Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2007 Posts: 577 Location: Pa.
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Best I have on hand, mine is in the enclosed trailer right now.
The rear trans mount picks up the lower 4 bolts on the trans gear carrier section with longer studs installed. The front trans mount is two solid mounts in the stock rubber mount location. The front engine mount picks up two bolt holes tapped into the case. The complete section sits in a cradle that drops out the bottom, (the rear cradle mounts can be seen in this photo).
The rear suspension is cheap and simple. A wish bone/hair pin style arm connected with a hiem joint at about the same spot the spring plate would attach and supported by a nitrogen shock. You can see a little of the front engine mount inthe second picture.
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ataim Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: |
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earthquake wrote: |
Has any body ever done a mid-engine with IRS before?
Casey |
My uneducated guess is that the trailing arm gets in the way with the engine mounting. _________________ I like steak. |
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turboblue Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2003 Posts: 4216 Location: Central Indiana
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Wheel_Works wrote: |
My old Appletree |
Cool, didn't know Garth was back at it.
My sand drag buggy is the first mid-engine Appletree ever built.
Serial # AAME001
It's been stretched 12" right behind the seat.
Stock wheelbase wasn't enough for the speed it runs.
Joecool
My cradle is similar but it is flanged beneath the engine.
I can pull the tranny or the engine independently of one another.
spectre6000
I will try to remember to take home my digital camera and get some pics for you _________________ Gary
Turbo VW Sand Drag Buggy
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