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parkerwitha68 Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: Possible Porsche project - questions. |
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So I've been in recent contact with a seller. He was a very nice and straight forward guy, but I'm curious as to what the dollar sign will be to get it back on the road? Granted - I'm not looking for a 2+ grand paint job right now (I simply plan to primer it and drive it like that a while). Has no engine or tranny, but I intend to put a Volkswagen engine (probably a 1776cc) and tranny in there. Can anyone tell me how hard that may be? He was planning on making it into a 930s, but I don't see myself doing that. Everything is there, but some brake pieces are missing. Could I possibly use Volkswagen brakes? If so - what measures would I have to take to accomplish this? It has no seats, but I shouldn't be overly concerned about that, right? I was just going to get a cheap pair online or something. I don't need original Porsche seats. It's a 69 and he chopped the top off and put a different one on (I think). As I've never done this before what efforts / extremes would I have to go through to get the rest of the glass for the vehicle and the modified sunroof? Does anyone one have pictures of a classic "custom" 911 that was made into a 930? I'm honestly considering using the fenders on the vehicle. Flashy touch? Or ridiculously dumb?
I hope that you will bare with me, as I admit I don't completely know how to work all of this, but am definitely looking forward to this as a learning experience. Any and all advice is appreciated.
http://tinypic.com/r/icpeed/7
http://tinypic.com/r/2wfin0y/7 |
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jt912 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2006 Posts: 92 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Could be a fun, learning-experience project. The real question is how much money do you want to pour into this car? It is going to take a large boat-load. If you are trying to save money by using VW parts, you will create a bastard that has very little value. A type IV motor will bolt up to a Porsche trans, but not sure about a VW trans fitting easily.
A '69 is a collectible year, if the body isn't shot (rust-ridden), you might be able to make a bit of cash flipping the car. |
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parkerwitha68 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| jt912 wrote: | Could be a fun, learning-experience project. The real question is how much money do you want to pour into this car? It is going to take a large boat-load. If you are trying to save money by using VW parts, you will create a bastard that has very little value. A type IV motor will bolt up to a Porsche trans, but not sure about a VW trans fitting easily.
A '69 is a collectible year, if the body isn't shot (rust-ridden), you might be able to make a bit of cash flipping the car. |
I don't plan on flipping it. The only rust on the body is some rust holes on the drivers pan. Indeed, it is a 69, but he was doing a conversion and doesn't have the original fenders. I'm not too concerned with the value as I don't want to pour a shit load of money into it. I was just want a fun and reliable driver. Do you really think it would take a boat load? I plan to strip the shell, repair the rust holes, primer it, and just get everything functional. Obviously glass, motor, tranny, brakes, and seats, but beyond that and paint - I don't know what would be a substantial cost. One can obviously shop around for the tranny and engine, but I'm not sure if I'd need Porsche brakes or not. I'm kind of considering keeping the fenders to save a little money for now and go for originals when it gets a full paint job. |
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jt912 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2006 Posts: 92 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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If you are needing to buy an engine/trans (VW), fix the critical rust, inexpensively strip and paint, make the brake system safe (brake lines, master cylinder, caliper rebuild kits), make the fuel delivery system safe (new lines, clean tank), get the gauges working, seats, rubber for glass, glass?, headlights?, front bumper?, sunroof?, wiper arms?, gas filler door?, interior trim pieces, tail lights, rear bumpers, license plate panel, and who knows what else I bet you are gonna be in this $10,000. Not sure what the asking price is for the car so add that to the total. Maybe most of these parts are included so you'll get by with putting out a bit less cash.
I only bring this up since I've seen it before where someone thinks they are going to get by cheeply by throwing VW running gear in a Porsche and they will instantly have a reliable car. From the looks of it, this project needs work! If you've got the time and funds, it should be fun. |
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TC/TeamEvil Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 1616
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Depending on what condition the rubber is in, here's a link that'll give you an idea of the replacement costs:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/SubCat/911E-Body-Seals.htm
Brake components, Beetle parts won't fit or function correctly:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/SubCat/911E-Brakes.htm
Electrical and so on:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/SubCat/911E-Brakes.htm
Suspension:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/SubCat/911E-Suspension.htm
And miscellaneous cables, controls and such:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/911E/POR_911E_Pcable_pg1.htm
There just isn't a cheap way to get out of building a 911 Porsche. Not if you want a safe reliable ride. Every little bit is Porsche specific and making another make or model part fit correctly and work properly often costs more in time trouble and false starts than the genuine part would cost. Even then if it breaks later, you gotta build another from scratch.
Were you to swap that body onto a shortened Beetle chassis and use all Beetle bit and pieces on that, you would still be in deep on the various Porsche body parts, rubber seals, gaskets, electrics, etc. Now you have to factor in the initial costs, the body working supplies and everything else as well.
Of course, your choice, but my opinion is don't waste your coin on a bastard 911, look for a thrashed 356 instead. Easier to do what you're planning on that shell, more receptive to all VW components, lots more fun when done, an accepted established Outlaw tradition that will welcome you into the fold with parts, help, and encouragement., and chicks LOVE them ! !
Just my opinion. |
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