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mnussbau Samba Member

Joined: August 26, 2006 Posts: 4549 Location: Central Maryland
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| donmurray wrote: | | After sleeping on it for one night, I have another thought on this d... bushing. The steel spring clip is just not necessary. | It helps reduce the shifter from vibrating. All you need to do is very slightly open up the spring. Test fit the bushing with spring over the shift rod before you try and install it in the car, and adjust until you can push it on without muscling it. (Grease the end of the rod first). This seems like such a common problem and I don't know why... _________________ Mike
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 55634 Location: Long Island, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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From: Shift rod bushing replaced! pictures
| 2ndgenbug wrote: | I finally replaced my shift rod bushing. Thanks to all the postings, they made this a relatively easy job.
Shift rod bushing
First attempt at removing the rod
What was left of the old bushing
before sanding
after a lot of sanding
on the way back in
turned this way plus a broom handle lots of grease and a pair of pliers
Success
This was the first time I ever did this and it was easy after reading all the postings. It made a huge difference in shifting, well worth the time and effort. |
_________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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WD0AFQ Samba Member

Joined: August 14, 2008 Posts: 595 Location: Dexter, Mo.
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WD0AFQ Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Pulled inspection cover and my rear coupler is shot. Monday I can buy a new one and do this trick. Say, why is there water in the tunnel? Is it ok to drill a drain hole in the bottom?
Dan _________________ 66 baja
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CLASSIC CAR GUY  Transport and Title Guru

Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1577 Location: Phoenix AZ, but originally from Long Island NY
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I love this place!!!! great post, and great pics, found this post a few weeks back. Just did my 62' today, and took about hour to hour and half, fortunatly it came apart easy and nothing was broket, shifts unbelibable just like everyone else has said, Next I will be doing my new 61' picking it up tomorrow, try to get to it one day this week now that I did this one and see what it entails,  _________________ (0\!/0)
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bill may Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 13995 Location: san diego,ca
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WD0AFQ Samba Member

Joined: August 14, 2008 Posts: 595 Location: Dexter, Mo.
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Ok, thank you. I did not smell it but felt like grease. Oops, you were talking about the water. I will double check that.
Dan _________________ 66 baja
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tb03830 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2009 Posts: 684 Location: Leavenworth, KS
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Look what I found in my Shifter Linkage. Look at the bottom if the series.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4866376#4866376 _________________ "Si vis pacem, para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war."
1964 Convertible Bug - 1600cc SP engine with a stock H30/31 Carb and SVDA Distributor - Swing Arm Highway Flyer Tranny, Chassey #5 849 630 |
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silvertonguedevil Samba Member

Joined: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1354 Location: Seaside, OR
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OK! Let me let you in with my little nightmare.....So I just bought a '64 beetle the other night. I drive it home with no problems. I go out to get into it the next morning to take it to work. Car will not go into second gear. Period. I jump onto the samba and do my search. I run across several posts including this one and figure that I can do this job no problem (everyone makes it sound so easy). I go down to Bugformance and grab a shift rod bushing, a spring clip and a rear coupler. I come home and start tearing my new acquisition apart. I find that the coupler has been done but the bushing is shot. So I pull the shift rod out and discover that the hanger bracket is also worn out. So now I pull the front bumper and pull the shift rod completely out. I go back to Bugformance to return the rear coupler and grab a hanger. I drill out the old one which was fairly easy but pulling it out through the inspection hole in the front was a joke. I finally got it but holy shit!! I get the new one in (another holy shit) and get it tacked into place. I clean up my welds and paint the area, let the paint dry and installed the bushing in my new hanger. With my ambitious 8 year old helping me, we start reinstalling the shift rod. It pops in with no problems and we start feeding it back. I'm watching through the shifter hole and I realize he pushed it a little too far so I grab my needle-nose pliers and start pushing it back towards the front just a little and half of my bushing comes back out with it!! The g**damn brand new bushing split in half. I'm into the "easy" repair now 3 days!!!! I'm trying not to lose my mind or patience with my new car but....shit!! Sorry for the rant but I really needed to vent. Between the brewskies and typing this out, I'll hopefully feel better. My next day off is 5 days from now and I'll install a new bushing and all should be good (I hope). I'll keep you all posted. |
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silvertonguedevil Samba Member

Joined: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1354 Location: Seaside, OR
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, it's me again but this is really bugging me.....
If the brand new one is only good for one slide back and one slide forward before it splits, how is this repair supposed to last the next 40+ years like the last one did? Even 10 years? Anyone have this problem? |
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tb03830 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2009 Posts: 684 Location: Leavenworth, KS
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| silvertonguedevil wrote: | | OK! Let me let you in with my little nightmare.....So I just bought a '64 beetle the other night. I drive it home with no problems. I go out to get into it the next morning to take it to work. Car will not go into second gear. Period. I jump onto the samba and do my search. I run across several posts including this one and figure that I can do this job no problem (everyone makes it sound so easy). I go down to Bugformance and grab a shift rod bushing, a spring clip and a rear coupler. I come home and start tearing my new acquisition apart. I find that the coupler has been done but the bushing is shot. So I pull the shift rod out and discover that the hanger bracket is also worn out. So now I pull the front bumper and pull the shift rod completely out. I go back to Bugformance to return the rear coupler and grab a hanger. I drill out the old one which was fairly easy but pulling it out through the inspection hole in the front was a joke. I finally got it but holy shit!! I get the new one in (another holy shit) and get it tacked into place. I clean up my welds and paint the area, let the paint dry and installed the bushing in my new hanger. With my ambitious 8 year old helping me, we start reinstalling the shift rod. It pops in with no problems and we start feeding it back. I'm watching through the shifter hole and I realize he pushed it a little too far so I grab my needle-nose pliers and start pushing it back towards the front just a little and half of my bushing comes back out with it!! The g**damn brand new bushing split in half. I'm into the "easy" repair now 3 days!!!! I'm trying not to lose my mind or patience with my new car but....shit!! Sorry for the rant but I really needed to vent. Between the brewskies and typing this out, I'll hopefully feel better. My next day off is 5 days from now and I'll install a new bushing and all should be good (I hope). I'll keep you all posted. |
I feel your pain but I finally got the bushing on Friday night. I had Reserves all weekend and in a bout 30 minutes I was able to do the job. TADA it works great. I would say you are running down the same road I have in my 64 vert. You fix one thing and find 10 others in a row that need fixed. I am nearing the end of the fixs on my 64. It now drives runs great. The reason I say the end is because I am running out of things to replace. The whole car is alsmost new now.
I will also say that all the problems that were faced with the tightness of the bushings and not being able to get it in were not faced by me. The grease and the tappered head of the 64's shifting rod helped alot. Went in easy once I got the dead mouse out. (See above). _________________ "Si vis pacem, para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war."
1964 Convertible Bug - 1600cc SP engine with a stock H30/31 Carb and SVDA Distributor - Swing Arm Highway Flyer Tranny, Chassey #5 849 630 |
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silvertonguedevil Samba Member

Joined: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1354 Location: Seaside, OR
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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So after running home after work and putting in a couple of hours for the past two nights, I finally put 'er back together and took 'er for a spin last night. Shifts soooo much nicer. No more hunting for gears. It was probably the most frustrating job/task I've ever had to do on a car (any car for that matter) but I learned alot and in the end it was totally worth it. It may have been easier to pay a shop to do this for me but in addition to being cheaper, now I'll be able to do my '63 in about 1/32 of time it took to do this one.  |
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Shorrock Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Put in my new Berg 12" extra curve shifter and noise, noise, noise! I did not hear it with the Hurst shifter but then it is spring loaded. Bushing again?! this is the second time I have replaced it. The last time I thought I would kill myself and said never again. Well this time I gave it some thought and in less than an hour from start to finish, including waxing the nose since the bumper was off, did it by myself without any of the frustration of last time or asking for help from my wife (who also said she would not help again the last time). I took some 3/4 inch white PVC pipe cut it 6 feet and cut an angled slot 1/2 through 1/2 inch from the end and drilled a hole at the bottom of the slot. Slid the pipe in till I was butting up against the shifter rod and slip a piece of wire into the slot and tied it around the shifter rod head. Turned it 90 degrees and easily pulled it all the way out of the bushing. The old bushing was still installed but the front flange that holds the spring had cut through. Using my pipe I slid it right back in without a hang up. Installed the new coupling and done. The spring apparently helps reduce noise at least in my case because it is now gone even though the bushing itself was still supporting the shaft.
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silvertonguedevil Samba Member

Joined: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1354 Location: Seaside, OR
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Shorrock wrote: | | Bushing again?! this is the second time I have replaced it. The last time I thought I would kill myself and said never again.............did it by myself without any of the frustration of last time or asking for help from my wife (who also said she would not help again the last time). |
I literally laughed out loud!! I feel your pain brother!  _________________ -Greg
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eaterofdog Samba Member

Joined: June 18, 2010 Posts: 295 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I finally broke down an did this repair on my buggy today. I've had the bushing sitting here for weeks but have been avoiding it. Everything went fine except it was a real bitch to get the rear coupling back together because the body covers half of the porthole. After finally getting it back together, it now shifts really well. I had a real problem downshifting to first or second gear before. It had also popped out of gear a couple of times. No problems at all now. _________________
| wythac wrote: | | It's not like you have to drive it to work on Monday. |
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joemac Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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From VW school in about 1970:
The clip is there to reduce the outward tension of the bushing against the hanger, decreasing the chance that the bushing will split at the groove where it sits in the hanger. Without the clip, it WILL split.
From replacing hundreds of shift bushings over the years:
Grease the bushing after it's installed in the hanger. Push a quarter into the front of the bushing. This holds the bushing open to allow easy insertion of the shift rod. Clean all rust and old grease off the shift rod and smear a thin coating of grease onto the rod as it's being slid through the bushing.
If you care about losing the quarter, place a sheet of paper towel under the shifter area in the tunnel, which will catch the quarter. The grease that's on the quarter will cause it to stick to the paper towel, which can be grabbed with long needlenose pliars or a length of coat hanger that can be used to catch the end of the towel and removed through the opening at the shifter.
In all the years, and all the shift rod bushings, I never lost a quarter, a clip or a bushing.
I don't think I ever had to remove a bumper, either.
Buy a good quality bushing and cry once.
Shift rod lengths changed in 1968 when the location of the shifter was moved back. Auto SlickShift rod is different from four-speed. |
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MuesliNZ Samba Member

Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 100 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Did my shift rod bushing today, and it went really smoothly thanks to all the advice in this post. In fact its the first job I've done on the bug where its all gone smoothly and I haven't broken something else while fixing the thing that made me get the tools out in the first place. Yay!!
Having delicate lady-hands definitely helps in this procedure, I mostly didn't need the pliers to wheedle the rod along and out : )
A big thanks to whoever first suggested tying string to the end of the rod before removing it, it really did make getting it back in a hell of a lot easier! In fact, it was harder to get out than it was to get it back in.
Just done a test drive and all rattling associated with the gear shifter has ceased, it slides in and out of gear way easier, and the gears are where you expect them to be, every time : ) |
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jcfrenz Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2010 Posts: 97 Location: Portland
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| i cant get the stupid bushing in. it goes in a little but wont fully go in how do i get it in? |
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CLASSIC CAR GUY  Transport and Title Guru

Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1577 Location: Phoenix AZ, but originally from Long Island NY
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: |
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it should snap in the bracket with no problem, check that its not bent or crushed in someway, but i dont see how this could ever happen but you never know. I have done a few and never had an issue getting the plastic bushing in the bracket it just snaps in, this maybe a dumb question but you are tring to put the bushing in with the shaft out correct?, and not trying to slid it down the shift rod and in the bracket with shift rod in?(belive it or not i have heard a few people trying to slid it down the shaft and get it in the bracket ) _________________ (0\!/0)
58' Rag'
60' Type 1
61' Type 1
62' Type 1
64' Type 1
66' Type 1
66' Fasty'
67' Type 1
"every one wants to reinvent the wheel, but nobody knows how to make it round"
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skineman Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2010 Posts: 88 Location: Loveland CO
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: shift rod |
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I need to do this as well on 66 baja I was a bit scared after the shop told me about it now after reading all you guys info I feel like it wont be bad at all and i can remove the whole nose so it should be a bit better
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