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Thornton
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 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Bolt circle Information |
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Vintage Volkswagen/Porsche
Wide 5 VW wheels are 5 x 205mm
4 lug Aircooled VW are 4 x 130mm
Bay Window Bus from 71-79 are 5 x 112mm
Porsche pattern 4 lug are 4 x 130mm
Porsche pattern 5 lug are 5 x 130mm
Watercooled VW
4 lug are 4 x 100mm
First Generation VR6 (GTI, Corrado, etc) 5 lug are 5 x 100mm
Current Vw's are 5 x 112mm
How to measure Bolt circle
the chart above Measures 5 lug wheel in the center of one stud to top of the furthest hole.
Here is another chart that shows another way, but the center of stud to furthest hole is the easiest method.
I am working on Wheel offsets of favorite VW wheels, will post soon as its finished.
Comments please let me know
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custom9
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: Great Posting... Just what I needed |
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Thanks Thornton!
I have been trying to figure out the reference of 205 mm on those 5 wides for a couple days now... I kept getting out the caliper and tape and coming up with 194mm center to center (skipping one lug)
This really made my day. Finding a set of non-open rims for my 1970 bus has been confusing enough and not being able to even understand how the folks out there, that know these things, arrived at the measurement, was just more of the same.
You have provided a very valuable service with this posting.
Thank YOU!
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Lee660
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Hi Thornton,
Is there only one type of stud pattern for a four stud that is on a beetle.
many thanks
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Merlin
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| Lee660 wrote: | Hi Thornton,
Is there only one type of stud pattern for a four stud that is on a beetle.
many thanks
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Yup, 4x130. 
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| Are Vanagons 5 X 112? |
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| dan macmillan wrote: | The site below has a listing of many makes and models and lists the bolt pattern that each manufacturer uses. This should be helpful for those wanting to choose a different wheel on their rides.
http://adaptitusa.com/referencebook.htm |
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| 68fish wrote: | | Are Vanagons 5 X 112? |
yup.
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| Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, this may be a dumb question, but what year exactly did they switch from the wide five, to 4-lug on beetles? |
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| luftgekühlt wrote: | | ok, this may be a dumb question, but what year exactly did they switch from the wide five, to 4-lug on beetles? |
1968 was the first year Type 1 had 4 lug. Not a dumb question.
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| joescoolcustoms wrote: | | 1968 was the first year Type 1 had 4 lug. Not a dumb question. |
I knew it was 67-9 but wasn't sure of the exact year - thanks, I appreciate that! |
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back space on the wheels i have measured
Erco 3 ½ Bubble 3 5/8” backspace
Erco 4 lug rear 4 9/16 backspace
Enkei 5 spoke 3 11/16 backspace
American Eagle 5 spoke 3 11/16” backspace
Flat 4 BRM 5” wide 3 9/32 backspace
Flat 4 BRM 6.5” 4 ¼” backspace
Flat 4 Rader 3 3/4” backspace
Flat 4 BRM 4 lug 3 ½” backspace
Flat 4 4.5 Fuchs 4 ½” backspace
Flat 4 4 Lug sprint star 3 11/16” backspace
Flat 4 5 lug sprint star 3 ½” backspace
Flat 4 5.5 Fuchs 5” backspace
Spindle mount 4” = to a 3” backspace
American Eagle 2.0 4 5/8” backspace
Riviera 90mm
American eagle Riviera 97mm
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: wheel adapaters |
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| Is there any adapters tp put 58 wheels on a 72 ? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: wheel adapaters |
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| cadillacraig wrote: | | Is there any adapters tp put 58 wheels on a 72 ? |
yes we sell them at my work(dubbers toy box). they are made by bugack and about 3/8" thick steel. so they will pus teh wheel out just slightly
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| 58deluxerag wrote: | | 68fish wrote: | | Are Vanagons 5 X 112? |
yup. |
Ironically, I just bought a 87 Vanagon Synchro and laid one wheel on top of a 71 Bus rim, and the holes do not line up. I don't have calipers, so I can't check it that way, but the Vanagon wheel bolt pattern seemed just a bit wider. ???
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Need more water cooled info:
| ach60 wrote: | OK here are a few simple things to remember
A1 & A2 VW use 4 on 100 bolt circle. (1974 thru 1992 Golf,Jetta, Scirocco Dasher, Quantum, Fox)
Be careful Audis of this age used 4 on 108 bolt circle on some models, and others used 5 on 112 bolt circle.
A3 & B3/B4 use 4 on 100 EXCEPT VR6 cars use 5 x 100 (1993 thru 1997 Golf, Jetta, Cabriolet, Corrado, Passat)
A4 use 5 on 100 bolt circle (1998-2005) Golf, Jetta, New Beetle
B5/B5.5 use 5 on 112 bolt Circle (1998 - 2005) Passat and most Audi
A5 use 5 on 112 bolt circle (all VW's except new Beetle & Touareg)
71 & up Bus, Vanagon, and Eurovan all used 5 x 112 bolt circle.
Touareg use 5 x 130 bolt circle, New Beetles (2006 to 2010) are A4 chassis use 5 x 100 bolt circle. |
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Are all AC 5s, 'Wide Fives'? I just bought a bunch of wheels for my Manx and am scared that maybe I didn't know about 'narrow' fives.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Yeah all air-cooled vw's that had 5 lug wheels are wide 5
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Whew! Gratzie Thornton..
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