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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject: Are these dropped spindles? Reply with quote

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This 67 Deluxe is dropped in the front and stock height in back. We want to return it to stock height and assume that these spindles are aftermarket dropped ones. Can anyone confirm that this is the case? If so, do you have a recommendation on where to buy replacement stock height spindles?

p.s., the torsion bar also looks altered since it doesn't have caps on the ends and you can see its innards on each end. Does this suggest that the lowering job included other work besides just replacing the spindles?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are dropped spindles. Offer up a trade for some nice stock spindles. I have a very nice set of stock spindles pulled from a 67 if you're interested in a trade.

If you're rear caps are missing some body may have dropped the rear. It's hard to tell without seeing pics. But that's not good to be missing the caps. Get some back on there soon!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they were referring to the ends of the front torsion leaves, not the rear torsion bars.

The leaves are normally exposed like that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is true: I'm referring to the front torsion bar. You can see in my pic the end of the front torsion bar that almost looks like it was cut-off with a blow torch. My problem is that I've never seen a stock one so I don't know jack... I've seen reference in the forum posts to narrowing a front end so I suspect that's what it is but, again, I don't know why that's done or nuttin.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a stock width front beam, look at each of the tubes in the center and see if it has adjusters. or just the set skrew with a nut on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Are these dropped spindles? Reply with quote

Mortimer Bondurant wrote:
the torsion bar also looks altered since it doesn't have caps on the ends and you can see its innards on each end.


'66 and '67 beams have caps on the ends of the arms. The leaves are also NOT welded on the ends like previous years.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dawerks wrote:
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Ear plugs.

Next!



On a more serious note, if you follow Porsche 356 engineering and logic; the front of a rear engine vehicle SHOULD be higher than the back for better handling and response.


I wanted to add something here...

It is not that they raised the front to handle better... BUT they did lower the rear... Let me explain.

The reason they did this, (dropping the rear slightly) is to avoid rear wheel tuck (extreme positive camber associated with hard cornering) while racing. - I am sure the only reason they left the nose "up", if you will, was for tire clearance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: getting it up Reply with quote

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Every body seems to be lowering their buses and putting beetle trannies under them. How do you take it back to stock height?


Get some stock spindles (and a stock beam if it's been modified) and an RGB trans to fit your bus. Install, and drive.


Doesn't this pretty much cover this whole thread topic? Was this just started to be kinda sarcastic?

I am interested in getting a little height out of my bus. I have worn out shocks, probly some busted torsion leaves. I have seen/read some stuff about raised spindles, raising the rear one "click", alternate shock choices, larger "meats" tire thread, this is all stuff that I think that would be very helpfull to have on one thread. No to mention Cory's monster bus and the fabrication he did. How about:

"How to raise your bus and all raise questions" thread? Just a thought. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: getting it up Reply with quote

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cdennisg wrote:
rustybug3 wrote:
Every body seems to be lowering their buses and putting beetle trannies under them. How do you take it back to stock height?


Get some stock spindles (and a stock beam if it's been modified) and an RGB trans to fit your bus. Install, and drive.


Doesn't this pretty much cover this whole thread topic? Was this just started to be kinda sarcastic?

I am interested in getting a little height out of my bus. I have worn out shocks, probly some busted torsion leaves. I have seen/read some stuff about raised spindles, raising the rear one "click", alternate shock choices, larger "meats" tire thread, this is all stuff that I think that would be very helpfull to have on one thread. No to mention Cory's monster bus and the fabrication he did. How about:

"How to raise your bus and all raise questions" thread? Just a thought. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a bus with an IRS conversion. It was lowered when i got it, but i raised it back up to stock, even traded the drop spindles for new stock ones straight up.

Now I've found a guy that wants to trade my IRS kit for his 67 big nut RGB set up. Sweet! I really missed the gearing of stock bus transaxles, especially 1 and 2.

I'll be almost back to stock. It sounds like there's a lot of this going on. It's pretty sweet that it all bolts on/off Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's pretty sweet that it all bolts on/off Wink

Thats why its funny when people bitch about "destroying" a car by lowering it.
Just bolts and sometimes metal.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cage66 wrote:
busboyjake wrote:
It's pretty sweet that it all bolts on/off Wink

Thats why its funny when people bitch about "destroying" a car by lowering it.
Just bolts and sometimes metal.


Only part that bothers me is the ruining of good vw beams and spring plates and tubbing the front because its not low enough already.
If beams keep being made from scratch and not destroying all the good original beams and they stop chopping good bus spring plates and you guys keep on tubbin late models it wont really upset anyone.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed Embarassed
You forgot narrowed torsion housings.
Very Happy

I understand what you are saying but springplates can be made new now, I think the only thing hard to reproduce/replace would be the beam and those are still fairly easy to find cheap.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoever narrows torsion housings on a bus is a retard. Thats for drag cars. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: bus ride height Reply with quote

busnutbob wrote:
In regards to some conversation I read here concerning setting the front of the bus suspension higher than the rear; from my experience the opposite will give you better handling overall. When the front of the bus is higher than the rear, a positive pressure is created under the bus making it lighter and more prone to blowing all over the road. The difference does not have to be a lot to create a negative pressure, just slightly lower in front.


The problem with doing that is that you introduce negative caster into the steering geometry. Factory caster is set at 0 degrees and is not adjustable.
If the front end is lower than the rear, negative caster is the result and the steering is less able to self centre, making the bus harder to control at speeds over about 40 MPH
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are lowered beams now with the caster reset,i dont own as my bus is stock height Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly higher than stock now:
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Runs on stock rims and 6.70-15 while stock is 6.40-15. Looks very good but the engine lacks torque now, stock (and quite old) 1200cc engine, 34hp (DIN). Acceleration on 4th is almost non-existent and even small hills or wind decrease the top speed drastically.

Much better in that sense when it was running on 14" rims and 185/65 tyres, shorter gears.

I measured the difference in circumference of these two: Almost 10"(!).

Something between these two might be a good idea or the engine rebuild ... that's something that is on the list anyway. Just a matter of when.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some advice/info.

If i want to take the sag out of my stock 65 rear end do i need to pull the tranny to do that? Can you get the redux box's far enough away to re-set the rear torsion bars or is that not possible?

Stock 65 with 14" rims running 165's.

Just got her back on the road after sitting for 7 years and it really bugs me that the rear end sags so much.

http://astromechbuilder.com/mechloader/v/mjhenks/bus+front+2.jpg.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthew henricks wrote:
Some advice/info.

If i want to take the sag out of my stock 65 rear end do i need to pull the tranny to do that? Can you get the redux box's far enough away to re-set the rear torsion bars or is that not possible?

Stock 65 with 14" rims running 165's.

Just got her back on the road after sitting for 7 years and it really bugs me that the rear end sags so much.

http://astromechbuilder.com/mechloader/v/mjhenks/bus+front+2.jpg.html


Doesn't look saggy in that picture. Yes, the rear can be adjusted with the tranny installed. Not too difficult, just some time and patience.

Consider a change from 165's (beetle tires) to a properly sized and rated bus tire. Your bus will handle and drive much better.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks,

That picture was taken some time ago. Just got the bus out of storrage (7 years) and it is worse.

Will try and post a better picture.
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