67 trans to 56 possible issues?

[2Dokas]

I am considering swapping a synchro trans into my 56 because my wife wants to drive and cant handle the non sychro part. Dont ask...

Also, since she is going to drive I thought going 12V might be a good idea so she can see at night.

Is a 67 a good option?

Or would a different year be better?

will there be issues not encountered with an earlier sychro?

Like the emergency brake cables?

not sure this is where I want to go with the vert but i have to be realistic about drivability of a car that we both have to fund
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87 Doka syncro, Traded for another more expensive piece of shit
56 Convertible

[kombiboy]

The only issue is you need a nose cone, hockey stick, and front mount from a type2, so the front will bolt in. Most suppliers have a kit that includes two of the three for about $100. Everything else will bolt right in and work as is.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1076648

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1032574

[3foldfolly]

The 67 transaxle has longer axles than the 66 and earlier. The rear wheel track will be wider than stock and is noticeable. No problem with fender/wheel clearance issues though, just an aesthetic concern.

[Motorhead55]

The '67 trans is a 12 volt starting (smaller starter bushing). The ring and pinion is taller geared than a '66
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2012 Jetta TDI Sportwagen. Tornado Red, Black interior.
2007 Dodge Cummins Diesel 4x4 6spd stick
1977 Mercedes 240D, 1939 WILLYS pickup

[2Dokas]

[Bruce]

If you are going to use a 36hp engine, I recommend you get a 66 or earlier trans. 36hp isn't enough to pull the taller gear of a 67 trans.
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[Motorhead55]

If you can find a Type 3 trans from 1961-'66, it has the higher ring and pinion and 6 volt starter bushing. Must be a type three! The '66 and earlier BUG trans has a 8 tooth pinion and 35 tooth ring gear. the '67 has a 8 tooth pinion and 33 tooth ring gear. Type 3 trans has the same final drive ratio as the '67.
According to the VW "Without Guesswork" The taller R&P gives you 4 MPH higher speeds at a given RPM
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1955 VW BUG European Deluxe Delivered to Holland. 1700cc single port, Zenith 2 barrel. Porsche A drum brakes.
2012 Jetta TDI Sportwagen. Tornado Red, Black interior.
2007 Dodge Cummins Diesel 4x4 6spd stick
1977 Mercedes 240D, 1939 WILLYS pickup

[kombiboy]

Let's answer some questions and clear up some misinformation. Only the 1968 u.s. spec swing axle cars had longer axles. The 67 and older are the same length. The 67 trans higher gears will not be an issue for your 36 hp..if that's what you have. The taller gears are not ideal for a 36 hp, but it's not going to cause any major problems. The ww kit requires you to remove the original front mount and weld in a new one. Why would you remove the og mount and weld in a new one when you can change the nose cone, hockey stick, and bolt the 67 trans into place? Lastly..do you have a 36 hp motor? If so you're not going to convert it to 12 volts unless you saw the generator stand off the motor. The 12 volt gen/alt uses a different stand than the 6 volt, so converting a 36 hp motor isn't easy to do. The 40 hp gen stands unbolt from the motor and are easily replaced with the 12 volt stand.

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111701173C

I just did this conversion myself, look at the last few post
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444237&highlight=000

[splitjunkie]

[kombiboy]

splitjunkie it appears I've spread some misinformation about 67 axle lengths myself, thanks for correcting my bad information. I was aware of the porsche 12 volt gen being the same size as the vw 6 volt gen, but they're very expensive.

[Flavio]

Go for Bruce and Splitjunkie advice. You will not like the taller gear with the 36 Hp...
Also, there are starter bushings that fit in the earlier geraboxes (CIP1 ?).
Yes you can use longer axles in your car, but you will nedd also longer axle tubes and probably different axle rear bearing covers and brake back plates (easy to find). If you check my photos in the gallery I think you could see the difference regarding the axles and tubes... and bearing covers.
In my 58, I've done the change for longer axles that came with the 65 gear box.

[splitjunkie]

You could actually take apart your split case, dismantle the differential and remove the axles. You can remove the later axle tubes and remove the axles, transplant the drive gears onto your old axles and reinstall them. The old axle tubes and everything brake related will bolt right on.

It would be easier to get a set of the short axle. That way you won't have to take apart your old trans. Just install the axles into your later trans and transplant your tubes and brakes onto the new trans. It would be a lot easier to reverse than taking apart your old trans.

It is a little involved and you need to make sure you have a good Bentley manual to guide you through the process of replacing axles on a later trans but those parts will fit.
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[Motorhead55]

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[kombiboy]

Converting a 66 and earlier trans is easy. The amount of grinding you need to do is very small. It's also easy to find/buy a bushing that fits into the 6 volt bell housing but works with the 12 volt starter. By the time you've read the thread below, you'll know everything there is to know about converting to 12 volts.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=233946

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC-C10-5765

[splitjunkie]

'67 was a 12 volt set up so there would be no mods. I think that a '68 has the same gearing so either of those would be a bolt in with the axle swap and no grinding of the bell housing or funky bushings.

There was also a self supporting starter, meaning it didn't have the bushing at the end of the shaft, it was internal. That starter was in the 412 and will bolt right in and you don't have to worry with the adapter bushing.
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[kombiboy]

The starter was also installed in bugs/ghias with the auto-stick trans. You can buy them at any parts store, just tell them you need a starter for a auto-stick bug/ghia.

[splitjunkie]

I couldn't remember it that was the case but that is correct.
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