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KhaoticKomputing
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The funny thing is, my $300 motor came with great fuel and timing curves already programmed in, plus the harness. |
Why take the time to build a sweet buggy/baja/rail with lots of money put into it use a 300 dollor motor from a junk yard? I can under stand sticking the 300 dollor yard motor in a little putter chevy or somthing like that, but why spend so much time love and care to stick a used el cheapo motor in it? I have to fressen up any junkyard motor I have ever seen. and where do you get these $300 motors that run perfect and come with ALL accessories, belts,wire harness, and brainbox? my 91 buick could use a motor like that! |
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KrAzY-BaJa
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| KhaoticKomputing wrote: | | Mr. Unpopular wrote: |
The funny thing is, my $300 motor came with great fuel and timing curves already programmed in, plus the harness. |
Why take the time to build a sweet buggy/baja/rail with lots of money put into it use a 300 dollor motor from a junk yard? I can under stand sticking the 300 dollor yard motor in a little putter chevy or somthing like that, but why spend so much time love and care to stick a used el cheapo motor in it? I have to fressen up any junkyard motor I have ever seen. and where do you get these $300 motors that run perfect and come with ALL accessories, belts,wire harness, and brainbox? my 91 buick could use a motor like that! |
you could get a carbed engine one for sure... and pick n pull 1/2 off days
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KhaoticKomputing
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-BaJa wrote: | | KhaoticKomputing wrote: | | Mr. Unpopular wrote: |
The funny thing is, my $300 motor came with great fuel and timing curves already programmed in, plus the harness. |
Why take the time to build a sweet buggy/baja/rail with lots of money put into it use a 300 dollor motor from a junk yard? I can under stand sticking the 300 dollor yard motor in a little putter chevy or somthing like that, but why spend so much time love and care to stick a used el cheapo motor in it? I have to fressen up any junkyard motor I have ever seen. and where do you get these $300 motors that run perfect and come with ALL accessories, belts,wire harness, and brainbox? my 91 buick could use a motor like that! |
you could get a carbed engine one for sure... and pick n pull 1/2 off days |
Been using the local pick n pull motors for a while now. they run and are cheap. but it always runs a few hundred more to get the kinks of a junkyard motor worked out in my experiance. I may just have tacky luck and not at the right place at the right time:) |
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txdunebuggy101
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| petrol punk wrote: | | riNR wrote: | | I think that no one can deny that an air cooled will never match a liquid coolded in reliablity, and that is all that matters to me when I've got my butt out in the middle of nowhere. |
The ACVW motor is perfectly reliable. If it's not then it was either built or cared for incorrectly. |
I only have one thing to say as far as the reliability of an ACVW..... IF they were NOT a reliable engine, why the hell would some "kit airplane" company's use them to power an aircraft that takes you HIGH IN THE SKY?
Okay, so maybe 2 things to say... IF they are not reliable, why are company's STILL making the same design over and over and over with no real change? If your acvw craps out on ya,you must not tune or build it worth a crap. ...
Sorry but that's my 2 cents. ...
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Mr. Unpopular
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| KhaoticKomputing wrote: | | Mr. Unpopular wrote: |
The funny thing is, my $300 motor came with great fuel and timing curves already programmed in, plus the harness. |
Why take the time to build a sweet buggy/baja/rail with lots of money put into it use a 300 dollor motor from a junk yard? I can under stand sticking the 300 dollor yard motor in a little putter chevy or somthing like that, but why spend so much time love and care to stick a used el cheapo motor in it? I have to fressen up any junkyard motor I have ever seen. and where do you get these $300 motors that run perfect and come with ALL accessories, belts,wire harness, and brainbox? my 91 buick could use a motor like that! |
You have to understand, the motor I got isn't some clapped out piece of crap. It came out of a wrecked car with 60 or 70k miles on it (I forgot exactly). I didn't even have to pull it. The yard pulled it and cut the whole harness out of the car (even the dash harness and BCM). It has all of the fuses and relays in the fuse block.
I did have to drive a couple of hours into the country to get it, but a friend and I split the gas and each got a motor and had a nice ride to show for it.
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Mr. Unpopular
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| txdunebuggy101 wrote: |
I only have one thing to say as far as the reliability of an ACVW..... IF they were NOT a reliable engine, why the hell would some "kit airplane" company's use them to power an aircraft that takes you HIGH IN THE SKY? |
I never said they weren't reliable. Not too much of a chance of clogging an idle jet in the air, but it sure happens alot in the sand.
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Okay, so maybe 2 things to say... IF they are not reliable, why are company's STILL making the same design over and over and over with no real change? |
No real change? Parts are being improved all the time. Materials are changing too, and prices are going up. Again, I'm not saying the VW is unreliable or a bad design, I'm saying I can get 3 times the power for half the cost (and that's for the initial swap. Once you have the adapter and cooling system, a new motor is a drop in the bucket).
| Quote: | If your acvw craps out on ya,you must not tune or build it worth a crap. ...
Sorry but that's my 2 cents. ... |
I find it funny how the pro VW guys are trying to insult the pro water guys. I'm not insulting you because you're too much of a fucking idiot to figure out a wiring harness and some computer software am I?
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KhaoticKomputing
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Unpopular wrote: | | KhaoticKomputing wrote: | | Mr. Unpopular wrote: |
The funny thing is, my $300 motor came with great fuel and timing curves already programmed in, plus the harness. |
Why take the time to build a sweet buggy/baja/rail with lots of money put into it use a 300 dollor motor from a junk yard? I can under stand sticking the 300 dollor yard motor in a little putter chevy or somthing like that, but why spend so much time love and care to stick a used el cheapo motor in it? I have to fressen up any junkyard motor I have ever seen. and where do you get these $300 motors that run perfect and come with ALL accessories, belts,wire harness, and brainbox? my 91 buick could use a motor like that! |
You have to understand, the motor I got isn't some clapped out piece of crap. It came out of a wrecked car with 60 or 70k miles on it (I forgot exactly). I didn't even have to pull it. The yard pulled it and cut the whole harness out of the car (even the dash harness and BCM). It has all of the fuses and relays in the fuse block.
I did have to drive a couple of hours into the country to get it, but a friend and I split the gas and each got a motor and had a nice ride to show for it. |
Sounds like a perfect deal. I gess the market where I am is pretty competitive on the good running low mi engines coming out of newer "totaled" vehicles. the yards I'm used to have people hanging out and watching the trucks pull stuff in...its kinda sad realy lol.+1 on the good find:) |
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Mr. Unpopular
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A better deal around here is the Honda V6. They make 300hp in a buggy (free flowing exhaust and computer tune), and a complete motor with harness and computer can be had for $600 with 30k miles on it.
If you think about it, what modern car needs a motor at less than 100k miles? And if it's been hit hard enough to hurt the motor, it's usually totaled anyway. So late model EFI motors are a pretty good bargain because the yards have to find people who want them.
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Paul Wilson
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I ran my VW powered rail for 20 years here in Arizona. I loved that car. We went just about anywhere we wanted to go. The problem was lack of reasonably priced power in a larger 4 seater rail that would see on and off road. To build a VW engine that had enough power to get you up an down the highway, cost way to much money. Yes 2k to 3k is too much for me. My new rail that I built myself is powered by a Nissan 3.0 V-6. In its stock form it puts out 226 HP. Engine cost for this engine with 5000 on cost me $650. I can get in and go, just turn the key. the engine should be good for at least 200k. I am not knocking air cooled set-ups. They had a place in my life for quite a while. But there came a time when I needed a bigger car with the right suspension for my camping and off road exploring. I guess age had something to do with it. Don't think I have given up on air-cooled power. I still have a 66 Squareback and a 65 Bug. I do like the turn key reliability of my water pumper.
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txdunebuggy101
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" I find it funny how the pro VW guys are trying to insult the pro water guys. I'm not insulting you because you're too much of a fucking idiot to figure out a wiring harness "
YOU must be the fucking idiot because I never said anything bad or negative about water pumpers. Simply stated a properly built,tuned,and cared for acvw is PERFECTLY reliable. Further more,if you pull your head out your ass and checked any of my posts you'd see I too will be running a w/c motor in my next project. I think you just have your panties in a wad. ....
Comparing performance of an acvw and an w/c is like comparing an orange and a grapefruit! They are both a citrus fruit, but still 2 totally different animals....  
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txdunebuggy101
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Let's see.... a male nurse? 3 bolts holding in your motor? No front brakes or shocks? Your not only a fucking idiot but a dumb ass as well.....
I bet DUH is a major part of your vocabulary isn't it.....
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txdunebuggy101
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| dixon_cass wrote: | | i think yall are gettin a little to worked up over each others opinion. |
He started it..... lol
He just just mis understood what i was saying in the post he disected. I too want a water pumper , just not on my current project .....
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Mal evolent
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there is at least one poster here who would argue if you said preschool children prefer ice cream to Brussel Sprouts
and too many people stroking his ego by arguing with him
and nobody is going to change their mind or their motor based on what they read here
it's just a food fight in the cafeteria
if I was a moderator I would pull the plug
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A Subaru will at least give you a lower center of gravity vs. a Honda.
I'm not anti waterpumper, but one thing to consider is weight. Even 50lbs behind the rear axle is a big difference. You will really feel the difference in the turns. You can't just take a short wheelbased rear engine rail and slap a V6 on the back and expect it to handle the same and give you the 300 hp you always wanted. Now if the rail is designed with a heavier engine then thats one thing. But to get frustrated with your P.O.S. Vw and replace it with a heavier modern engine, you may solve one problem but open the door for a few more problems.
In the performance world light weight means a lot and people spend the money to shed the pounds.
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| Mal evolent wrote: | there is at least one poster here who would argue if you said preschool children prefer ice cream to Brussel Sprouts
and too many people stroking his ego by arguing with him
and nobody is going to change their mind or their motor based on what they read here
it's just a food fight in the cafeteria
if I was a moderator I would pull the plug |
Yep,thats pretty much what I was thinking after reading 3 pages of this crap.
One troller went on a fishing expidition,a couple more guys jumped in the boat,and the fish started to bite.
This is a VW forum is it not? Why come here to bash on em?
It's as bad as going to a Chevy forum and bashing on guys who build a 32 ford kit car and run a chevy in it.Would I build that? hell no,but got no problem with those that do. What dif does it make to you what engine someone else chooses to use and how is it going to affect your life? Get over it already and grow up.
A Vw engine is what? a 50+ year old design? Compairing a modern Ecocrap engine is akin to bringing a AK47 to a flintlock duel.
Happy fishing. 
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| vwonnos wrote: | A Subaru will at least give you a lower center of gravity vs. a Honda.
I'm not anti waterpumper, but one thing to consider is weight. Even 50lbs behind the rear axle is a big difference. You will really feel the difference in the turns. You can't just take a short wheelbased rear engine rail and slap a V6 on the back and expect it to handle the same and give you the 300 hp you always wanted. Now if the rail is designed with a heavier engine then thats one thing. But to be frustrated with you P.O.S. vw and replacing it with a heavier modern engine, you may solve one problem but open the door for a few more problems.
In the performance world light weight means a lot and people spend the money to shed the pounds. |
this is very true! i have run into problems pushing the front tires into turns. this might bother some but i am going to change some things to help with the situation. i just cant come in hot right now. i have slow down to turn.
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When I was in college I took many a $100 bill at the drag strip from guys running water pumpers, even LS1's. (I have significantly more than 3K in my engine) Its all about power to weight and drivability. Most people assume every VW is slow and unreliable, and thats generally a good bet!
My VW rail weighs just under 900lb full of gas. It is a bit front end light though.
As long as a guy keeps his weight in proportion to HP he will be fine with any engine he chooses. I like my VW for the wide powerband 2K to 8K RPM, but some guys like driving in that 2 to 6K range.
I have seen guys run 3.8 chevys with stock 3 ribs and have no problem for years. And I have seen guys with 200HP 3.8 chevys blow built 6 ribs over and over. A 3 rib will hold up good to a 150HP VW for the most part.
Its a matter of preference. I would suggest a guy ride in or drive a rail similar to his with a similar engine to what he wants before making a decision. My rail would be undrivable with anything heavier than a VW in it unless you just wanted to wheelie. |
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i have acually been thinking about going with a brand new frame that is longer and has a larger area for the engine. then again i could just go with some 3x3's to help with the wheelies and move battery up front and so on and so on. mine weighs in at 1400 pounds right now. it weighed in at 1200 with a vw motor. that is a good gain in weight.
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| dixon_cass wrote: | | i have acually been thinking about going with a brand new frame that is longer and has a larger area for the engine. then again i could just go with some 3x3's to help with the wheelies and move battery up front and so on and so on. mine weighs in at 1400 pounds right now. it weighed in at 1200 with a vw motor. that is a good gain in weight. |
Me too, sorta. ... Tryin to talk wife into a 4seat mid engine water pumper rail project "for her", lol. ( bought "her" a 4 wheeler that only i ride) I think it would be AWESOME to have modern hp in a rail the whole family can ride in. My current rail would only run on the rear tires if it had a w/c in it. Its short and light and more than 60-75 hp would really do me no good. I couldn't imagine trying to take a fast turn. I can already see the ass end passing up the front end.... 
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