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Roger1960 Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2008 Posts: 65 Location: Joplin,Mo 64801
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: Empi Imp |
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I'm buying this Imp this week for $2000.It has a Empi wheel with crazed hub,2 Empi wheels,2 Dietz headlights,front badge,id #(476),bad motor and parked since 1994.It is gold flake under the white.Seats are fiber glass tilt.BOth rear pans are bad.It has title.I know it's a bad deal but tell me how bad a deal you think it is.thanks,Roger
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nightmanx11 Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 549 Location: Downstate Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen a lot worse with the owner asking for 2500+.
This one needs a lot of work but the basic body is there. |
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Letterman7 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2004 Posts: 3198 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I'd see if you could knock it down another $500 or so just for the general condition. Imps aren't particularly rare; if you got it, though, I'd certainly send that steering wheel out to be restored - they're worth a decent amount of money in good shape. |
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lostinbaja Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: Frankfort, Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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The steering wheel in restored condition is worth the price of the buggy and it also has the hard to find EMPI IMP emblem on the front.
I have seen worse for the same money. _________________ Jerry...
If it's being towed, it must be a trailer!
"Vee Grow Too Soon Oldt Und Too Late Schmardt"
RIP Morgan
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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That's a great find. With the # tag, Dietz 820 headlights and I'm no expert but I think those seats were original Empi Imp too. The rear wheels are wide Empi Sprint Stars. You can get replicas for the front if a pair of originals don't turn up. The lights and rollbar should all be rechromed and the gold flake redone.
A buggy like that really needs to be faithfully restored. There's no end of Empi accessories, its such time capsule, it needs to stay true to the 1968 style. It will also be worth a lot more.
I wonder, Did the tornado have anything to do with that coming to light?
I think Tom is the guy to go to, to get the seats upholstered.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=234591&highlight=imp
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=417683&highlight=suck
You already have all the hard bits. If when the restoration is done it looks like this below, you could make 10 times your original investment.
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manxdavid Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 1841 Location: David Jones, Anglesey, North Wales, UK. Manxclub #678.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Here's some pics of a recently re-done one in Britain if you need a bit of inspiration...
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Roger1960 Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2008 Posts: 65 Location: Joplin,Mo 64801
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to all for the info.I really thought I was over the top on the $ but maybe it will work out.I have a body shop and do all the mechanical as well.The storm here had nothing to do with finding it.It's been sitting like this for a long time.I'd like to buy some Empi stuff for it so please contact me if you have something.I know I need an inside mirror and a pair of outside and a rear badge.Please tell me what else I'm missing or could add. Thanks so much,Roger in Joplin at [email protected] |
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EMPIImp69 Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2006 Posts: 3374 Location: Dirty Jersey
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: |
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That's an early one. You could get some sidepods for it, but they are hard to find. I would try to clean up the rear wheels and try to find some fronts to match. Its good that nobody hacked any big holes into it and tail's not cut. I agree that steering wheel cleaned up is worth some $$. _________________ 1963 Ragtop Bug |
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Root_Werks Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2007 Posts: 813 Location: San Juan Islands
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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I had a blue Empi Imp back in the mid 80's. I miss that thing, very cool buggy.
Great find! This is going to be a great thread. _________________ When I set my timing, why do I flush, then take a pee? |
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lostinbaja Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: Frankfort, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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EMPIImp69 wrote: |
That's an early one. You could get some sidepods for it, but they are hard to find. I would try to clean up the rear wheels and try to find some fronts to match. Its good that nobody hacked any big holes into it and tail's not cut. I agree that steering wheel cleaned up is worth some $$. |
EMPI IMP sidepods are easy to find if you know where to look....
http://www.duneengines.com/ _________________ Jerry...
If it's being towed, it must be a trailer!
"Vee Grow Too Soon Oldt Und Too Late Schmardt"
RIP Morgan
My photos
http://www.manxgallery.org/gallery/album92 |
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CoryN Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: DFW
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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EMPIImp69 wrote: |
That's an early one. You could get some sidepods for it, but they are hard to find. I would try to clean up the rear wheels and try to find some fronts to match. Its good that nobody hacked any big holes into it and tail's not cut. I agree that steering wheel cleaned up is worth some $$. |
Or I have a pair of Keystones just like those but 10" wide just taking up space... |
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EMPIImp69 Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2006 Posts: 3374 Location: Dirty Jersey
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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lostinbaja wrote: |
EMPIImp69 wrote: |
That's an early one. You could get some sidepods for it, but they are hard to find. I would try to clean up the rear wheels and try to find some fronts to match. Its good that nobody hacked any big holes into it and tail's not cut. I agree that steering wheel cleaned up is worth some $$. |
EMPI IMP sidepods are easy to find if you know where to look....
http://www.duneengines.com/ |
I didn't know Paul is selling those..not cheap tho. I guess that's not bad..paid $300 for mine and another $125 to have them painted. _________________ 1963 Ragtop Bug |
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gr8cobbler Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 916 Location: Midlife Crisis, Midwest
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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From the sounds of it....I'd sell the steering wheel to finance the rest of the build! _________________ Gary
Being a cheap old fart is just a front for my actual lack of money. |
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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The steering wheel restored to perfect condition will bring about $500-600 assuming it's a 15 inch wheel. If it's a 14 inch wheel, tack on another $200-300 from what I hear.
The wide Sprint Stars are worth some dollars along with the Imp badge. Unless the owner is a VW guy, he doesn't know that. He just see's his old buggy through rose colored glasses and you need to give him a reality check.
If it was a clone with some generic wide steel rims, generic steering wheel and no badge, NO ONE here would offer up more than $1,000 on a good day. That said, make that your target price.
In my opinion, even with the cool EMPI stuff on it, it's not worth more than $1500. Keep in mind for thos cool parts to be worth something to you, you have to retore them and sell them. That's assuming they restore that good. Then if they sell, you have cash but no wheels, no steering wheel, no Imp badge etc. I think the whole thing is worth the most as one cool overall package. I just don't see it being worth a penny over $1500. _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Roger1960 wrote: |
I need an inside mirror and a pair of outside and a rear badge.Please tell me what else I'm missing or could add. Thanks so much,Roger in Joplin at [email protected] |
Here's an older thread on the "proper" front turn indicator that was used on the early Imps. It looks like its another item that needs to go on your list.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=425797&highlight=imp+signals
These look close
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-2-5-Amber-Round-1...ccessories
They used Delswift mirrors on the fenders
The inside mirror they used back in the day had a rubber suction cup. They were nice German quality actually made by Talbot, but they had a habit of dropping off. For day to day, I'd go with a nice windshield mirror from B&K.
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lostinbaja Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: Frankfort, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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EMPIImp69 wrote: |
lostinbaja wrote: |
EMPIImp69 wrote: |
That's an early one. You could get some sidepods for it, but they are hard to find. I would try to clean up the rear wheels and try to find some fronts to match. Its good that nobody hacked any big holes into it and tail's not cut. I agree that steering wheel cleaned up is worth some $$. |
EMPI IMP sidepods are easy to find if you know where to look....
http://www.duneengines.com/ |
I didn't know Paul is selling those..not cheap tho. I guess that's not bad..paid $300 for mine and another $125 to have them painted. |
I figured you didn't know they were available. That is why I was so cocky when I posted the website I know there was a hefty cash outlay to get the molds rebuilt and fiberglass is nowhere as cheap to have done as it used to be. _________________ Jerry...
If it's being towed, it must be a trailer!
"Vee Grow Too Soon Oldt Und Too Late Schmardt"
RIP Morgan
My photos
http://www.manxgallery.org/gallery/album92 |
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EMPIImp69 Samba Member
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CoryN Samba Member
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Couldn't see the second one but without tags those might as well be clones. With the early serial number tag and unobtanium accessories on the Joplin Imp, I'd say that even if he won't go below $2K, Buy It! Fully restored(and you own a body shop)it could be a $20K buggy. |
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I have never seen a traditional old school buggy command a $20K price tag. I reckon Bruce's Ol' Red might get that number if he isn't buried in it. _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
More brains than bucks...Believe it or not!!
If you actually drive your VW, you need www.AirMapp.com
My boss told me I need to work on my mutli-tasking. So now when I use the bathroom at work I surf The Samba on my iPhone. |
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