Brent's 69 Fastback Build

Brent · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject:

I was actually looking at Eastwood's site this afternoon for something and it looks like they have a product that is stable for heat. Rust Encapsulator; seems like kind of a gimmick, but I think if I clean it out real well and maybe treat it with some Picklex20 or Ospho first it will work.

I haven't found just the nozzle/hose by themselves. I tossed the one I used for the tunnel as it was all waxy when I was done.

http://www.eastwood.com/ew-rust-encapsulator-w-ext-nozzle-black.html

Vlad - Maybe after I use it, I can salvage the nozzle and send it to you. I doubt sending the can would make it through customs as they open everything in AU. My mom lives there and every present is always torn open a little.
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Brent · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject:

Question about front end camber:

I can spin the upper ball joint on the right side all the way around and it doesn't really change the camber at all. The left side is at about 1* positive but the right won't change from about 2.5* positive no matter what I do.

It's a rolling pan, I've tried on jackstands (level) and with wheels on. No difference.

I know the body should be on and loaded per Bentley, but I just wanted to get it close to equal between the two sides.

I definitely had some damage to the beam bearings with the original beam, I used the original spindles with the replacement beam. Should I be concerned about a bent spindle? Or would I even be able to tell without the car loaded?

Thanks.
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vlad01 · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:25 am Post subject:

I would check the control arms and spindle on the side that had the damaged bearing.

Thanks for the link above. I could use that after chemical tanking the whole car. There is a trade school in the city that have a EPD facility for training purposes.

Dam that would be sweet if I could somehow get my car body in for a demo Wink

Brent · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:37 am Post subject:

Brent · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject:

I was using a magnetic angle finder, the kind that has a dangling pendulum type indicator.

Here's the update:

Today on my way home I picked up a digital magnetic level that's accurate to .1 degree.

On the right side the range of motion is 3.1 to 3.8 degrees, where on the left side the range is 1.6 to 2.4 degrees. This is with the wheels off and the using the level against the face of the rotor. I spun the rotor 180 degrees while checking to make sure these were the min and max limits. They're both above spec WRT Bentley, but I'd expect that as they are totally unloaded. Seems I should be able to get them equal in these conditions. I did not re-calibrate the level between sides as I wanted to keep any error the same between sides.

I know the ball joints are good (they're new) and moving as they should. Something else is going on that I can't get the sides equal. When I put the beam back together I followed the Bentley precisely and torqued everything to spec.

That's what's leaving me to think something is bent.
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vlad01 · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject:

check the level of the beam using a precision level both horizontally and vertically at both ends of the beam. God knows where on the beam is a suitable and reliable point to measure it. Laughing

Then get the control arm levels exactly the same, then re check the caster/camber.

If you try to go initially off the bulkhead/pan then there might be variation through the rubber collars.

supaninja · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject:

I'm going to be doing the exact same thing to mine after I pull the body off next month. Keep us posted, and I want pics dang nabbit! Very Happy

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Brent · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject:

supaninja · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't call it anal, you have a very well trained eye for detail.

I got spots of rust that I want to address, front and rear clips to replace, and a sunroof clip to install...might as well paint it too Wink

that does sound like a much better option for noise control, bookmarked!
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vlad01 · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:14 am Post subject:

attention to detail is king! but can be a pain in the ass, especially if you learn how to do something better latter on.

Latter you find yourself redoing a job that you thought was perfect but no longer is anymore. Mad

Brent · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject:

Ok, here's some pics.

I tried to readjust the camber again today but no success.

First I calibrated the digital level on the kitchen counter, calibrating a level with a level Smile

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Then checked across the top of the shock mounts; off a little but not too bad:
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Then I adjusted by bundling up some rags under the jackstands. The wood clamps are holding the top control arm still and the ball joints in place as the ball joints seem to like to back out a little as I turn them.
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Now the beam is level in three places (across shock mounts, across top of beam, and across middle of beam):
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Then I re-index the level vertically against the garage wall, double checking with another level:
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Right wheel is 3.7 to 2.9 degrees:
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Left wheel is 2.5 to 2.0 degrees:
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Both bottom ball joints are pointed straight forward:
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Then I switched upper ball joints from side to side. Makes no difference. I can visually tell the top of the right wheel sticks out to far and has too much positive camber.

Am I doomed? Suggestions please.
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supaninja · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject:

sweet, i book marked this. why only one shock?
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Brent · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject:

The shocks are actually rear shocks. I picked up a set of 4 NOS Boge oil filled shocks. Problem is they are all rears and have the long spacer at the bottom. I had to push out the spacer and shorten it. Just haven't gotten around to the other one. If I happen to have a bent control arm or something, it's one less thing to take apart.

This is driving me nuts. My old beam had a broken bearing on the driver side, now it's the passenger side where I can't get the camber right.

Thinking about swapping out control arms, but then I have to drive all the way to Oakland to get some. Bah.
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vlad01 · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:49 am Post subject:

lol that ain't a precision level Laughing

the one i use at work can measure 0.2mm per meter of deviation (in the order of 100th of a deg). it costs around a 1000 buk for one though and it ain't digital.

calibrating against a kitchen bench? lol

see if you can hire one from an engineer or some one like that.

Anyways looks like u have a problem somewhere if you can visually see the difference in camber. Is the control arm angles the same on both sides?

Brent · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:44 am Post subject:

Bobnotch · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:19 am Post subject:

Sounds like a bent control arm to me. Must have been involved in an accident some time in it's life.
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vlad01 · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject:

bent spindle is also likely as someone could of easily driven into a gutter.

Isn't that one with too much camber on the side the gutter is on?

Brent · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject:

vlad01 · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject:

could be an excuse for a Bert drop spindles ey? Wink

Brent · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject:

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