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reluctantartist Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 1744 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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For a replacement engine check this place out
http://vw-offroadmotors.com/ _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| How reputable is this place? |
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vanagonjr Samba Member

Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| BillWYellowstone wrote: |
Mine will cruise at 75, right at about 4k on the tach. |
But your van is water cooled . |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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If you guys don't mind, I will use this thread to document my experience with Vagon, and ask you questions, that way I don't have to open up more threads, and clutter up the forum.  |
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psych-illogical Samba Member

Joined: October 14, 2004 Posts: 1190 Location: AZ
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Good luck with the whole adventure that is being a Vanagon owner. I'm not too familiar with the air cooled motors in these things but I wonder if they have the same issue with valve lifters loosing their prime and tapping (knocking). Checking your valve adjustment would be a good thing to do. At any rate, I'd definitely stick with the 20-50 oil in any air cooled motor. That's all I run in my BMWs and that's what I ran in my air cooled bugs. From what I've read I'd stay the hell away from the Lucas oil treatment too. BTW, my waterboxer (when it was brand new) ran pretty weak and I discovered my cat was pretty well plugged up. Put on a new one and the difference was amazing. _________________ 83 1/2 Westy waterboxer
'57 Beetle-sold
Coupla '81 BMW motorcycles (R80G/S; R100RS)
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| I just replaced my pushrod tubes, and I hope they adjusted my valves... =( I would hope they would adjust the valves at the same time. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: |
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psych, it also only knocks on throttle blips or initial hard acceleration  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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Spinal Tap Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2008 Posts: 413 Location: Chicago IL
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| a1fa wrote: | psych, it also only knocks on throttle blips or initial hard acceleration  |
I'm no expert, and hopefully they'll chime in, but it sounds like it's going lean, which could be causing the knocking. If that is the case, I would think that either the fuel injection system isn't up to snuff (O2 sensor, AFM, maybe even injectors), or you've got a big-ole air leak, or your timing is too far advanced. Or all three. But that's a guess from 800 miles away, from a guy with no air-cooled experience.
Good luck! _________________ '85 Westy
'74 MG-B
| RCB wrote: | | Its called tact...and tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a manner that they anticipate the trip. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: |
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I have a hole in my EGR, which could be leaning it out? _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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SSWesty Samba Member

Joined: August 20, 2008 Posts: 191 Location: Bellevue
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reluctantartist Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 1744 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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You need to replace all of the vaccuum hoses that are original. I would.check all the other rubber parts for cracks, I bet they have them by now. The egr filter needs to be replaced or removed and blocked off. You are lean right now that maybe the reason for the knocking on accelerating. These have hydraulic lifters like the wbxr so they bleed down if sitting. Get a Bently, you really need to start doing own work. Not many people know aircooled vw anymore. _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| reluctantartist wrote: | | You need to replace all of the vaccuum hoses that are original. I would.check all the other rubber parts for cracks, I bet they have them by now. The egr filter needs to be replaced or removed and blocked off. You are lean right now that maybe the reason for the knocking on accelerating. These have hydraulic lifters like the wbxr so they bleed down if sitting. Get a Bently, you really need to start doing own work. Not many people know aircooled vw anymore. |
Thank you. Is there a kit I can order for all vacuum hoses? My vacuum rubber elbow is already rotted out, and I had to zip-tie it. A trip to various store parts, and no one has it. I'd rather replace all of them. _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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molybdanum Samba Member

Joined: December 27, 2010 Posts: 57 Location: Berkeley, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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For the elbow I think you mean 022-129-637 also frequently the intake boot is cracking/torn PN 071-129-967 and the throttle body gasket is leaking pn 022-133-073 A plug those numbers into the search on airheadparts.com. quality vacuum hose can be had at just about any vw or german car shop the flaps will have stuff that can work in a pinch but often are ignorant to metric sizes.
-Dan _________________ 85 Vanagon Westfalia EJ22
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I got the oil changed to 20W50 with a quart of Lucas oil treatment... In the mean time, a friend of mine welded the hole in the exhaust where EGR rusted off.. It runs better, but still runs kind of rough until it warms up. It seems like the oil plate is leaking a bit now. I even cleaned it, and area around it... I didn't over tighten it.. It feels like it would strip or skip if it is any tighter..????  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Here is my cold start:
http://youtu.be/A2CEbesMESw
At first, starting with no gas, and then later, at 1:27+, I am using gas to keep the engine moving... and then just idling.. is this common? _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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reluctantartist Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 1744 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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That oil plate is only to be torqued to 9 lbs max. That is not very much and if it breaks the whole engine needs to be torn down. You really need a torque wrench to tighten it. Also you still need to block off the egr location on the air distributor otherwise you still have a vacuum leak. Most likely the rubber elbow the rubber Y (brake booster, decel valve, air distributor rubber splitter) and probably your pcv valve are leaking too. All of these things need to be looked at. Do you have a Hanes or Bentley manual? _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| reluctantartist wrote: | | That oil plate is only to be torqued to 9 lbs max. That is not very much and if it breaks the whole engine needs to be torn down. You really need a torque wrench to tighten it. Also you still need to block off the egr location on the air distributor otherwise you still have a vacuum leak. Most likely the rubber elbow the rubber Y (brake booster, decel valve, air distributor rubber splitter) and probably your pcv valve are leaking too. All of these things need to be looked at. Do you have a Hanes or Bentley manual? |
What if it leaks at 9lb? _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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a1fa Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: |
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She left me stranded this morning, but before she did, I heard the fuel pump whine...  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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Andrew A. Libby Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 3498 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| If you tighten the oil plate beyond 9lbs, it will often crack the case... |
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a1fa Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:20 am Post subject: |
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The cash cow is back at the shop.  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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