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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: Repair of Sliding door track |
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Looking for advice on repairing my lower sliding door track. The rocker panel, the panel under the bus and the floor are very solid. The only rust is actually inside the track. There are a few(3 or 4) holes varying in size of 1/4" to 1/2" then there is one section that is at the bottom of the track that the roller from the sliding door rolls over which is about 3 inches long that is rusted through. What would be the best way to repair? It's going to be difficult to get a welding tip and grinder in the area as it is a tight area. Here are a few pictures. Not concerned about the aesthetics of the holes as most of it will be covered with the rubber seal. However, the 3 inch hole under the track roller causes the door not to roll smoothly. Kinda like a pothole.
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1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Any valid suggestions? _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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that piece is not just a flat piece of steel, it does have some slight contour in it. i have a NOS piece and a gerson piece i can snap some pix for you if you like. IF (and only if) the areas around the rusty potholes are solid, you could weld in some patches and grind to match. remember, if this gets messed up, say goodbye to your sliding door ever having a chance of working correctly. you may just need to pony up and buy a track and weld it in. _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah. might have to to that. Just hated to tear out other good metal to do it. I did find this page that shows in great detail how the area is put together:
http://www.specialpatrolgroup.co.uk/spooky/sills/ns/ns.html _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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VAVWFAN Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2010 Posts: 758 Location: Middletown, Virginia
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I had similar issues on my 69 Westy. Before I tell you what I did, I have to let you know what I use my bus for. It's used to haul my drums around for a band I'm in. Yeah, I want it nice, but I'm not a purist. That said; here's what I did two years ago:
I beefed the rocker area up with stock metal; cut out the bad; recessed and dimpled the good metal, and rivited in place. I POR-15's the piss out of everything and filled the area with structural bondo. For the track, I cleaned it out very well and used the best JB Weld possible. Ground it smooth; spayed it with Zinc Chromate; painted, cured and sprayed-on graphite for the rollers.
It isn't the right way, but I don't have a "smoke wrench" nor money to dump into this bus, so I made-do. It still works fine, with NO loosening of the bondo and gets the job done!
It really matters what you want to do with the bus..... My solution fit my need. Yours may be different!
Good luck _________________ If it weren't for "last minutes;" -- nothing would ever get done! |
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TheRealMacGyver Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2011 Posts: 198 Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I have to ask out of curiosity, what is that black pipe coming out of the bottom? I know it's got to be a drain, but it looks like 3", is that standard for sinks, or do you have a full-blown crapper in there? _________________ 1977 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1979 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1977 thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=484931 |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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No, it's the standard drain pipe for the sink. _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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barefoot, i have seen that too. the only advise i can give is make 100's of measurements before you cut. the slider can be shimmed, but only so much. i just cracked into my outter rocker on the pass side too and was overcome with joy when i saw how solid it is, and i will not need to replace any of it, just the outter rocker. let me snap some pix for you. you may be able to get away with just doing a 'L' shape in the track area, providing the rest of it is solid _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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zerothehero Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, I managed to get the MIG into the same area to fill up a couple of small holes on a previous bus. Built them up with weld rather than trying to fit little bits of new steel in. Angle grinder with guard removed gets in ok.
Should last until you are ready to chop the whole panel. _________________ I like caves..
Caves are cool
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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zerothehero wrote: |
Hi, I managed to get the MIG into the same area to fill up a couple of small holes on a previous bus. Built them up with weld rather than trying to fit little bits of new steel in. Angle grinder with guard removed gets in ok.
Should last until you are ready to chop the whole panel. |
Thanks for that info.
After further examination, my track on the '73 is different than the link I shared above. However, it does still appear that I would need to remove the outside rocker and then the track. I'll have to start looking around for replacement tracks and the lower rocker. Ugh. I really hate this.
The last panels I bought were not even close to the same original metal thickness. _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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It appears based on this photo from Bus Boys and my photos above, that I would need the part marked "J" to repair the track. Would anyone else agree?
_________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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here is the NOS track i have. you can barely see the bend in the 'L' where the sliding door roller goes
this picture may be better. look up front, you can see the dip in the track
i am doing rockers now on my 71, this is what it looks like with the outter cut off
lucky for me, the track is dam near perfect i think you could just bend a 'L' out of the proper steel and go from there. i think the dip in the track may be there just to help the roller guide itself fore and aft, but realistically the roller can't go anywhere, as long as both are in good working order
'J' looks like the inner rocker.'L' perhaps? gerson makes them too. i bought his before i found a NOS one _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the pics. I thought that about "L" also, based on what appears to be a slot or something on that part.
But the track looks like it is attached to the back and the top of the piece of metal. Where as "L" looks like basically a flat piece(with the exception of what may be the grove for the roller. What letter in the diagram is the piece in your photos? _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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This part looks like it is what is already attached to the piece in your photo:
http://www.airheadparts.com/vintage-vw-parts/slidi...11809904-a
Is your piece a combination of the pieces shown in the diagrams? _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the track IS like this photo:
and there is so much gunk and rust through the years that it just appears that the track is one piece with the rear (the metal he has marked between the CUT > | <CUT)
So, in theory I should be able to remove the outer sill, add the new track and put a new sill in place and be done with it. _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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try this
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=9555042
as i said gerson makes them too. here is his next to my NOS one
his is a heavy son of a bitch too. the NOS one is all 1 piece _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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barefootwestie wrote: |
So, in theory I should be able to remove the outer sill, then the track and put a new sill in place and be done with it. |
if, and only IF the inner portion is solid. the loose piece of the gerson track is what (in theory) you may be able to get away with _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Great pics. Yes everything else is solid. Happen to have a part number on the gerson piece that is in the top photo on the bottom? _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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i do not have a p/n but i am pretty sure you will have to buy the whole deal. ask him, he may sell you just the track piece _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Pepto Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2008 Posts: 93 Location: Grants Pass, OR
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Repair of Sliding door track |
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Did you ever attempt this repair? I'm having the same issue, and would love to see what you did. |
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