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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tram, will this help?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tram, will this help?
http://classicvw.org/gallery2/v/Fuel-Injection-Manual/


YEP! Was looking on there last night, but all I found was the Clymer. Was just getting ready to start scanning mine- thanks for saving me the work! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://classicvw.org/gallery2/v/Fuel-Injection-Manual/


YEP! Was looking on there last night, but all I found was the Clymer. Was just getting ready to start scanning mine- thanks for saving me the work! Very Happy


No problem. I'm just glad the Wolfe family has left that part of the site up for us to use. There's so much good info Russ gatherd together, that it would be a shame to loose.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello! the past few weeks my bus has been flooding at higher rpms usualy around 35-45 rpm. I was told buy a friend to check my fuel pressure regualtor. As I understand it the constant fuel pressure on my 78 Westy should be 30-35 psi and it should be maintainde after shut down. My fuel presure was above 35 psi and upon engine shut down presure stayed at forty. Is this the result of the presure regualtor going bad or do I need to look some where else? Is there a way to adjust the fuel/air ratio on my efi system? Thank you for any help you can give me.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello! the past few weeks my bus has been flooding at higher rpms usualy around 35-45 rpm. I was told buy a friend to check my fuel pressure regualtor. As I understand it the constant fuel pressure on my 78 Westy should be 30-35 psi and it should be maintainde after shut down. My fuel presure was above 35 psi and upon engine shut down presure stayed at forty. Is this the result of the presure regualtor going bad or do I need to look some where else? Is there a way to adjust the fuel/air ratio on my efi system? Thank you for any help you can give me.


Different system than our Type 3s, but you either have a kink in the return line off the regulator, or the reg itself is possibly bad. In every instance I've experienced, L-Jet regulators will fail and DROP pressure, though, so I'd look for a kink or obstruction on the return side.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Strange pluse as I drive Reply with quote

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Hey there,
I just started reading the FI relief thread and have yet to find anything like my symptoms... As of this weekend My 69 Square started this weird pulse, hunt or buck as I was getting on the freeway. This car is a very low mile survivor and has ran mostly very well, a little rich on idle however. As I started down the freeway to get off the next exit it was able to make 60 then all of a sudden it was fine and I drove it another 10 miles with no problem made 3 different stops all fine. And then just as I returned to the freeway on ramp it started again. From what I have read on the web my first guess is Throttle Switch, followed by trigger points. Any advice would be great.
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Hi Spencer:

Never, ever automatically assume that your issue is fuel injection related.
Start with more basic things first:

Check point gap and reset if necessary
Change fuel filter
Check fuel pressure
Check charging system output
What brand and type of spark plugs are you running?
Check ALL vacuum lines for cracks, split ends, and leaks

Let us know what you find.

Thank for the check list I will start on it tomorrow.


Ok
Point gap was a little tight~Adjusted
Charging system good
All vacuum lines good
Plugs are bosch
I will pick up a new filter tomorrow
Im not sure how I will check the fuel pressure...However I did notice the pump made a odd sound when I turned the key to excite the circuit almost like it was starving for fuel?

Thanks in advance
Spencer


Could be a plugged filter. If not, try to blow back up the fuel feed line with compressed air. Could be that the tank sock is plugged.

Plugs are Bosch what? Platinum?

Whilst doing this, take the necessary precautions so you don't inadvertently drink gasoline, shower in it, or use it for an eyewash solution.


I will do that and let you know how the reverse pressure works out for me....
as for the plugs they are Bosch super w8ac.


OK, good on the plugs then. Platinums are Satan to these cars.



Hey Tram,
Ok I Changed
plugs and wires
adjusted valves
check point gap it was a little tight
replaced the fuel filter
removed the tank and cleaned it and the prefilter (very dirty)
Checked the timing this seems strange to me but it was pretty advanced about 5*-8* guess, and adjusted the ide speed after it warmed up to full temp.
no pulse at this point but seems to have less power than before? Not a lot but enough for me to notice.

P.S. Thanks for the help!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Strange pluse as I drive Reply with quote

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Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Hey there,
I just started reading the FI relief thread and have yet to find anything like my symptoms... As of this weekend My 69 Square started this weird pulse, hunt or buck as I was getting on the freeway. This car is a very low mile survivor and has ran mostly very well, a little rich on idle however. As I started down the freeway to get off the next exit it was able to make 60 then all of a sudden it was fine and I drove it another 10 miles with no problem made 3 different stops all fine. And then just as I returned to the freeway on ramp it started again. From what I have read on the web my first guess is Throttle Switch, followed by trigger points. Any advice would be great.
Regards
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Hi Spencer:

Never, ever automatically assume that your issue is fuel injection related.
Start with more basic things first:

Check point gap and reset if necessary
Change fuel filter
Check fuel pressure
Check charging system output
What brand and type of spark plugs are you running?
Check ALL vacuum lines for cracks, split ends, and leaks

Let us know what you find.

Thank for the check list I will start on it tomorrow.


Ok
Point gap was a little tight~Adjusted
Charging system good
All vacuum lines good
Plugs are bosch
I will pick up a new filter tomorrow
Im not sure how I will check the fuel pressure...However I did notice the pump made a odd sound when I turned the key to excite the circuit almost like it was starving for fuel?

Thanks in advance
Spencer


Could be a plugged filter. If not, try to blow back up the fuel feed line with compressed air. Could be that the tank sock is plugged.

Plugs are Bosch what? Platinum?

Whilst doing this, take the necessary precautions so you don't inadvertently drink gasoline, shower in it, or use it for an eyewash solution.


I will do that and let you know how the reverse pressure works out for me....
as for the plugs they are Bosch super w8ac.


OK, good on the plugs then. Platinums are Satan to these cars.



Hey Tram,
Ok I Changed
plugs and wires
adjusted valves
check point gap it was a little tight
replaced the fuel filter
removed the tank and cleaned it and the prefilter (very dirty)
Checked the timing this seems strange to me but it was pretty advanced about 5*-8* guess, and adjusted the ide speed after it warmed up to full temp.
no pulse at this point but seems to have less power than before? Not a lot but enough for me to notice.

P.S. Thanks for the help!


Did you check timing with the vacuum advance disconnected and the line plugged?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Strange pluse as I drive Reply with quote

Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Hey there,
I just started reading the FI relief thread and have yet to find anything like my symptoms... As of this weekend My 69 Square started this weird pulse, hunt or buck as I was getting on the freeway. This car is a very low mile survivor and has ran mostly very well, a little rich on idle however. As I started down the freeway to get off the next exit it was able to make 60 then all of a sudden it was fine and I drove it another 10 miles with no problem made 3 different stops all fine. And then just as I returned to the freeway on ramp it started again. From what I have read on the web my first guess is Throttle Switch, followed by trigger points. Any advice would be great.
Regards
Spencer


Hi Spencer:

Never, ever automatically assume that your issue is fuel injection related.
Start with more basic things first:

Check point gap and reset if necessary
Change fuel filter
Check fuel pressure
Check charging system output
What brand and type of spark plugs are you running?
Check ALL vacuum lines for cracks, split ends, and leaks

Let us know what you find.

Thank for the check list I will start on it tomorrow.


Ok
Point gap was a little tight~Adjusted
Charging system good
All vacuum lines good
Plugs are bosch
I will pick up a new filter tomorrow
Im not sure how I will check the fuel pressure...However I did notice the pump made a odd sound when I turned the key to excite the circuit almost like it was starving for fuel?

Thanks in advance
Spencer


Could be a plugged filter. If not, try to blow back up the fuel feed line with compressed air. Could be that the tank sock is plugged.

Plugs are Bosch what? Platinum?

Whilst doing this, take the necessary precautions so you don't inadvertently drink gasoline, shower in it, or use it for an eyewash solution.


I will do that and let you know how the reverse pressure works out for me....
as for the plugs they are Bosch super w8ac.


OK, good on the plugs then. Platinums are Satan to these cars.



Hey Tram,
Ok I Changed
plugs and wires
adjusted valves
check point gap it was a little tight
replaced the fuel filter
removed the tank and cleaned it and the prefilter (very dirty)
Checked the timing this seems strange to me but it was pretty advanced about 5*-8* guess, and adjusted the ide speed after it warmed up to full temp.
no pulse at this point but seems to have less power than before? Not a lot but enough for me to notice.

P.S. Thanks for the help!


Did you check timing with the vacuum advance disconnected and the line plugged?


No just all hooked up, I will try it as you said above.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Strange pluse as I drive Reply with quote

OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Tram wrote:
OB Customs wrote:
Hey there,
I just started reading the FI relief thread and have yet to find anything like my symptoms... As of this weekend My 69 Square started this weird pulse, hunt or buck as I was getting on the freeway. This car is a very low mile survivor and has ran mostly very well, a little rich on idle however. As I started down the freeway to get off the next exit it was able to make 60 then all of a sudden it was fine and I drove it another 10 miles with no problem made 3 different stops all fine. And then just as I returned to the freeway on ramp it started again. From what I have read on the web my first guess is Throttle Switch, followed by trigger points. Any advice would be great.
Regards
Spencer


Hi Spencer:

Never, ever automatically assume that your issue is fuel injection related.
Start with more basic things first:

Check point gap and reset if necessary
Change fuel filter
Check fuel pressure
Check charging system output
What brand and type of spark plugs are you running?
Check ALL vacuum lines for cracks, split ends, and leaks

Let us know what you find.

Thank for the check list I will start on it tomorrow.


Ok
Point gap was a little tight~Adjusted
Charging system good
All vacuum lines good
Plugs are bosch
I will pick up a new filter tomorrow
Im not sure how I will check the fuel pressure...However I did notice the pump made a odd sound when I turned the key to excite the circuit almost like it was starving for fuel?

Thanks in advance
Spencer


Could be a plugged filter. If not, try to blow back up the fuel feed line with compressed air. Could be that the tank sock is plugged.

Plugs are Bosch what? Platinum?

Whilst doing this, take the necessary precautions so you don't inadvertently drink gasoline, shower in it, or use it for an eyewash solution.


I will do that and let you know how the reverse pressure works out for me....
as for the plugs they are Bosch super w8ac.


OK, good on the plugs then. Platinums are Satan to these cars.



Hey Tram,
Ok I Changed
plugs and wires
adjusted valves
check point gap it was a little tight
replaced the fuel filter
removed the tank and cleaned it and the prefilter (very dirty)
Checked the timing this seems strange to me but it was pretty advanced about 5*-8* guess, and adjusted the ide speed after it warmed up to full temp.
no pulse at this point but seems to have less power than before? Not a lot but enough for me to notice.

P.S. Thanks for the help!


Did you check timing with the vacuum advance disconnected and the line plugged?


No just all hooked up, I will try it as you said above.


You might want to make sure both advances are working also.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The advance plate on my AB distributor was stripped out, so I replaced the distributor with an AL. I noticed that the performance was lacking, the economy suffered, and it started to develop a miss. I put a different advance plate on my AB distributor, and it ran much better, for 30 miles. On my way home from work (35 miles), the miss came back, and the engine died at stops.

When I got home, I checked the timing, point gap, and wiring; all were in decent order. As I was doing checks, the engine would intermittently die. Then, it wouldn't start. Replaced the ECU, and it ran. Changed it back, and it wouldn't start. Put the new one in and it fired right up.

This is my fourth ECU in as many years. As these things never die, i will gladly send anyone my three, for your three.

Any ideas/ takers?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rosevillain wrote:
The advance plate on my AB distributor was stripped out, so I replaced the distributor with an AL. I noticed that the performance was lacking, the economy suffered, and it started to develop a miss. I put a different advance plate on my AB distributor, and it ran much better, for 30 miles. On my way home from work (35 miles), the miss came back, and the engine died at stops.

When I got home, I checked the timing, point gap, and wiring; all were in decent order. As I was doing checks, the engine would intermittently die. Then, it wouldn't start. Replaced the ECU, and it ran. Changed it back, and it wouldn't start. Put the new one in and it fired right up.

This is my fourth ECU in as many years. As these things never die, i will gladly send anyone my three, for your three.

Any ideas/ takers?


Charging system overcharging, or a bad engine to body ground.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep....its not the ECU's....its what is supplying them (ground or power)...that is off. Ray
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: new sq owner chris 68/w low 56k miles fi problems help Reply with quote

new squareback owner 56k miles. Fuel lines all new vacum lines replaced. Problem seems to be with fuel pressure regulator on firewall. I have owned this car for 4days it went over the altamont in california to come home had to adjust points wouldnt make it over the hill. It chugged so we thought it was just points we are new to fi.
Since then have discovered all the injectors were leaking cut pressed on line off taking care not to cut plastic and replaced all fuel line to and from injectors.
Found some and or all vacumn lines i could see and replaced. Replaced points. Engine stumbles and has small backfire on pass side. Unknown cause. Seems to be that when i remove and plug the pressure regulator under drivers side firewall it seems to run beyter. Still had small pop on passenger side. What can i troubleshoot?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basics first.

Check the ignition. Point gap, timing, plugs (don't use platinum), advance mechanisms.

Check for vacuum leaks. This includes all vacuum lines, the intake manifold to plenum hoses, and the intake manifold to head connection. Between the head and the intake manifold, there should be a bakelite spacer and on either side of this spacer should be cardboard gaskets, not the metal ones.

Check all of the wire connections for the fuel injection. One bad wire can f you.

Check your fuel pressure with a gauge.

Check to see if the last letter on your ECU(electronic control unit-inside of the right rear fender-like 20 wires) matches the last letter on your MPS(manifold pressure sensor- mounted to the inner right rear fender, insideof the engine compartment-4 wires- I think you're calling this the pressure regulator?) and that you have the correct TPS(throttle position sensor-two, four, or five wires) for your system.

What year is your car, is it automatic?

http://classicvw.org/gallery2/v/Fuel-Injection-Manual/

This book will help with compatibility.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tram wrote:

Charging system overcharging, or a bad engine to body ground.


raygreenwood wrote:
Yep....its not the ECU's....its what is supplying them (ground or power)...that is off. Ray


I re-soldered most of the connections on the back of one of my ECU's, and it seems to run. Now, when it's cold, the engine dies on decel. I'm OK with this, as it is frightfully cold here near Sac. Almost below 60.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:05 pm    Post subject: new square owner.. with fi Reply with quote

    thanks jimmy
    no its a stick
    we replaced all vacumn we could see find.
    Will reverse fuel pump to clean out any crap. Will check wires. Will replace filter.
    This car has 56k miles on it. It sat off and on for 2 years.Stamps in owners book said oil changed reg at berkey-lees in albany last oil change there was in 1975 @ 43k miles here many years later second owners who bought it from p.o. Said she was a sturdy lady who didnt drive it much.they owned it and hardly drove it. Seems complete.
    Im posting this from my phone.. Didnt mean to hijack this post cant figure out how to start new thread. The car is a 1968 Square.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: new square owner.. with fi Reply with quote

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    thanks jimmy
    no its a stick
    we replaced all vacumn we could see find.
    Will reverse fuel pump to clean out any crap. Will check wires. Will replace filter.
    This car has 56k miles on it. It sat off and on for 2 years.Stamps in owners book said oil changed reg at berkey-lees in albany last oil change there was in 1975 @ 43k miles here many years later second owners who bought it from p.o. Said she was a sturdy lady who didnt drive it much.they owned it and hardly drove it. Seems complete.
    Im posting this from my phone.. Didnt mean to hijack this post cant figure out how to start new thread. The car is a 1968 Square.


Can you take that part out and tell us if the part number ends in a "b" or a "C"?

It should be a "B", but I've seen some incorrect substitutions lately.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: tram and rosevillian 68 Square Reply with quote

The 68 Square is running again OMGOODNESS IT WAS A ROUGH TWO WEEKS!!
it ended up being a bad cap rotor and some relay problems.
It was really and truly one day away from carburators. My boyfriend sold his only car to buy this one. I have put 1400 miles on my 65 square in 2 weeks. It is my only car right now. The relay under the dash was rattling. I read in this forum that when replaced prob resolved We called the closest import shop who regularly gets parts WRONG and told her we needed the relay for power for fi. It was wrong. Boyfriend drove car to work had to tow home he switched relays back on side of road before calling me and was incorrect then with the clymer,the bentley and the samba diagrams promptly got the wires wrong. The one under the seat was untouched but one of the POs had changed and spliced on the column and we got very confised. So thank god for one patient brother(real kin)and all of OVP. Old Volks People I will answer withe the information you requested tram. And thanjs rosevillian for your fast help too!!!
We will definately be at the next show!
More info to come. THANKS GUYS!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Going F.I. Reply with quote

I have decided to go back to F.I. after my carbs quit working. Luckily the car (68 squareback) came with all the original fuel injection pieces but when they secured the harness parts of it were on the exhaust rendering it badly burned and broken in some spots. Anybody got a good "A" harness lying around? Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Going F.I. Reply with quote

Mason wrote:
I have decided to go back to F.I. after my carbs quit working. Luckily the car (68 squareback) came with all the original fuel injection pieces but when they secured the harness parts of it were on the exhaust rendering it badly burned and broken in some spots. Anybody got a good "A" harness lying around? Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


I think so. Let me look on Mundae. Remind me via PM if you haven't heard back.
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