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This should end this section especially re pit bulls. I had 3 each over 100 lbs on me for 40 minutes. I know what they can do. I broke my teeth trying to bite one on the neck. These dogs were solid as a brick, I doubt a knife would have penetrated unless put in the right spot but when you are fighting for your life and the attack is on, nothing but a gun would stop it. So bear spray or wasp spray on the ready is what I'm going to use on any dog or human who attacks and it would be my intent to get it before it gets me. But come on people 3 pit bulls just can't be handle by one person with anything less than a gun and I'm not a gun person.
So the appropriate walking stick is still valid but it better have bulk and strength behind it. My aluminum collapsable cane would be useless.
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Maybe it's time to lay off the peppermint oil? I mean, you walk around smelling like a piece of candy and you wonder why dogs, and bears try to eat you? You're a 6 foot candycane for chrissake.
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Was at the Health Food store buying my peppermint oil today and got into conversation with the owner re mice. He has heard that oil of clove is a good repellant but he thinks the oil of peppermint will be better. It's not that they don't hang around, its that they won't come near it. Also oil of peppermint is a soothing, settling smell that you don't need to worry about clearing. I use my peppermint oil all year to tell the truth.  |
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| coad wrote: | Maybe it's time to lay off the peppermint oil? I mean, you walk around smelling like a piece of candy and you wonder why dogs, and bears try to eat you? You're a 6 foot candycane for chrissake.
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Was at the Health Food store buying my peppermint oil today and got into conversation with the owner re mice. He has heard that oil of clove is a good repellant but he thinks the oil of peppermint will be better. It's not that they don't hang around, its that they won't come near it. Also oil of peppermint is a soothing, settling smell that you don't need to worry about clearing. I use my peppermint oil all year to tell the truth. |
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at least she stopped wearing the patchouli...
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DAIZEE
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you guys are soooo easily distracted. Schnark all you want to reflects on you not me  and the pit bulls were pre peppermint days so that explains that perhaps. Whatever, chat away.  Peppermint oil is to keep rodents away but I can clearly see it doesn't work on some rodents. 
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| DAIZEE wrote: | | This should end this section especially re pit bulls. I had 3 each over 100 lbs on me for 40 minutes. I know what they can do. . |
if you had three of them on you for 40 minutes and are here and able to type about it, you have no idea what they can really do....
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DAIZEE
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Well there is not really an answer to that, my dog was pulled apart in 3 directions and I have personal injuries and I was just about to give up when help arrived. So I don't really need to see anymore than I've experienced. It'll be with me always.
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As far as Pits in full fight mode, blows to the head really don't do much to them. Their blockheads just bounce around, and no, they don't let go either. Been there, seen it with my own eyes. |
this is accurate. When I was a lad, I ran along on a milk route with an older gentleman that couldn't handle the cans anymore ( I live in old school land here and the oldest orders of Amish still load milk into cans). Anyway, many of these farms had dogs, and one place in particular had pit-bulls. When I started helping on the route, the dogs were yearlings, but soon became very mean. One morning, the alpha decided to attack me completely out of left field. I fought tooth and nail, even slapping him in the face with a milk-can lid several times. I'm kind of a big guy, and I was hitting him HARD which only made him more aggressive. I finally got over his head and choked him out, dragged him into the milk-house, and slammed the door, but not before he got me good on the arm, face, and right above both my knees.
The moral of the story is, pits don't respond to hits in the head like humans do. use the spray.
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Well, as a nation we have been disarmed. Probably to make control easier. So most of us resort to things like a jack handle, cricket or baseball bat or anything that can have a cover story attached to.
Well that's in the car anyway. I don't think I know of anyone that hasn't needed them at some point. Road rage 
Also to the previous poster, depending on where you are pit bulls are either seriously restricted or banned too. Oh and we aren't allowed to have knives either. And yes the police are allowed to search you when they feel like so it really doesn't pay.
At least I have my steel cap boots, a good wad of keys to shove between my fingers and a ferocious temper on my side. Kind of missing the flight part of the fight or flight response.
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| RatCamper wrote: | Well, as a nation we have been disarmed. Probably to make control easier. So most of us resort to things like a jack handle, cricket or baseball bat or anything that can have a cover story attached to.
Well that's in the car anyway. I don't think I know of anyone that hasn't needed them at some point. Road rage
Also to the previous poster, depending on where you are pit bulls are either seriously restricted or banned too. Oh and we aren't allowed to have knives either. And yes the police are allowed to search you when they feel like so it really doesn't pay.
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Remind me never to move to Australia. It's a wonder they let you wipe your ass by yourself.
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| cdennisg wrote: | | RatCamper wrote: | Well, as a nation we have been disarmed. Probably to make control easier. So most of us resort to things like a jack handle, cricket or baseball bat or anything that can have a cover story attached to.
Well that's in the car anyway. I don't think I know of anyone that hasn't needed them at some point. Road rage
Also to the previous poster, depending on where you are pit bulls are either seriously restricted or banned too. Oh and we aren't allowed to have knives either. And yes the police are allowed to search you when they feel like so it really doesn't pay.
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Remind me never to move to Australia. It's a wonder they let you wipe your ass by yourself. |
It's not called the nanny state for no reason. It gets worse every year. Their latest bit of idiocy is an attempt to put a tax on fatty foods to discourage people from eating unhealthily. Yeah that'll work
They pretty much took away all guns in the mid '90s except for farmers and gun clubs which had much harsher restrictions imposed. IIRC if you have a gun to use at a gun club I think in some cases it has to stay in a lockup there.
Then there was the ban on carrying any sort of knives. I heard recently that knife clubs are being stripped of their special status so that many club members are no longer allowed to have their knives at home.
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| RatCamper wrote: | | cdennisg wrote: | | RatCamper wrote: | Well, as a nation we have been disarmed. Probably to make control easier. So most of us resort to things like a jack handle, cricket or baseball bat or anything that can have a cover story attached to.
Well that's in the car anyway. I don't think I know of anyone that hasn't needed them at some point. Road rage
Also to the previous poster, depending on where you are pit bulls are either seriously restricted or banned too. Oh and we aren't allowed to have knives either. And yes the police are allowed to search you when they feel like so it really doesn't pay.
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Remind me never to move to Australia. It's a wonder they let you wipe your ass by yourself. |
It's not called the nanny state for no reason. It gets worse every year. Their latest bit of idiocy is an attempt to put a tax on fatty foods to discourage people from eating unhealthily. Yeah that'll work
They pretty much took away all guns in the mid '90s except for farmers and gun clubs which had much harsher restrictions imposed. IIRC if you have a gun to use at a gun club I think in some cases it has to stay in a lockup there.
Then there was the ban on carrying any sort of knives. I heard recently that knife clubs are being stripped of their special status so that many club members are no longer allowed to have their knives at home. |
This begs the question, what is the violent crime rate compared to the US, and has it dropped since these restrictions were implemented?
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| cdennisg wrote: | | RatCamper wrote: | | cdennisg wrote: | | RatCamper wrote: | Well, as a nation we have been disarmed. Probably to make control easier. So most of us resort to things like a jack handle, cricket or baseball bat or anything that can have a cover story attached to.
Well that's in the car anyway. I don't think I know of anyone that hasn't needed them at some point. Road rage
Also to the previous poster, depending on where you are pit bulls are either seriously restricted or banned too. Oh and we aren't allowed to have knives either. And yes the police are allowed to search you when they feel like so it really doesn't pay.
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Remind me never to move to Australia. It's a wonder they let you wipe your ass by yourself. |
It's not called the nanny state for no reason. It gets worse every year. Their latest bit of idiocy is an attempt to put a tax on fatty foods to discourage people from eating unhealthily. Yeah that'll work
They pretty much took away all guns in the mid '90s except for farmers and gun clubs which had much harsher restrictions imposed. IIRC if you have a gun to use at a gun club I think in some cases it has to stay in a lockup there.
Then there was the ban on carrying any sort of knives. I heard recently that knife clubs are being stripped of their special status so that many club members are no longer allowed to have their knives at home. |
This begs the question, what is the violent crime rate compared to the US, and has it dropped since these restrictions were implemented? |
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http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp |
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| cdennisg wrote: | | RatCamper wrote: | | cdennisg wrote: | | RatCamper wrote: | Well, as a nation we have been disarmed. Probably to make control easier. So most of us resort to things like a jack handle, cricket or baseball bat or anything that can have a cover story attached to.
Well that's in the car anyway. I don't think I know of anyone that hasn't needed them at some point. Road rage
Also to the previous poster, depending on where you are pit bulls are either seriously restricted or banned too. Oh and we aren't allowed to have knives either. And yes the police are allowed to search you when they feel like so it really doesn't pay.
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Remind me never to move to Australia. It's a wonder they let you wipe your ass by yourself. |
It's not called the nanny state for no reason. It gets worse every year. Their latest bit of idiocy is an attempt to put a tax on fatty foods to discourage people from eating unhealthily. Yeah that'll work
They pretty much took away all guns in the mid '90s except for farmers and gun clubs which had much harsher restrictions imposed. IIRC if you have a gun to use at a gun club I think in some cases it has to stay in a lockup there.
Then there was the ban on carrying any sort of knives. I heard recently that knife clubs are being stripped of their special status so that many club members are no longer allowed to have their knives at home. |
This begs the question, what is the violent crime rate compared to the US, and has it dropped since these restrictions were implemented? |
I just did a bit of searching, hoping to see that our violent crime rate was fairly low. Unfortunately I didn't find that. It seems to be an apples and oranges kind of thing because of different ways it is reported, but on some comparisons that I found, we were ranked above the U.S.
Call me surprised!
I figured with the whole campaign of getting people to squeal to nanny when someone licks your icy pole it would be lower. But then things are a bit messed up. For example in the circumstance of a home invasion it's general knowledge that not only you aren't allowed to defend yourself / property, you really have to hope that the invader doesn't hurt themself or you'll be up the creek. Another thing encouraging Australians to be helpless and let others do what they want.
No it's not what people want. I'll be surprised if you find anyone that agrees. In general people seem to be getting more on edge and unhappy. Personally I think it's because of the loss of control in their own lives and having every aspect impinged on in some respect by a greater power removing personal responsibility and replacing it with approved or illegal activities.
I will admit though that I am grateful that there is a financial safety net in place for the unemployed, although the way some of the people involved in face to face interaction is reprehensible, but that's another story... and that we still have the very slowly recovering tattered remnants of our public health system after a previous government's attempts to "Americanize' the country (read remove as many employment rights and basic public services as possible). So it's not all bad but the fact that people have been stripped of the ability to defend themselves is kind of scary.
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^^^ I agree with the analysis of that message. Gun ownership was not amazingly common because it wasn't a right like in another place Actually we don't have rights they are privileges. Which probably explains the lack of an entitlement complex in people here...*cough*.
There has been an increasing problem with violent crimes. Not necessarily weapon related and I do suspect it has something to do with the odds of the average person not having means to protect themselves being quite high, and the ability of the attacker to cry foul and go whining to the police that they were physically assaulted.
I still don't think it's really easy to compare the rates but the analysis attempts seem to show them being pretty close. Not happy about that.
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If you outlaw guns the only people who dont't have them are law abiding citizens.
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| lawn ninja wrote: | | If you outlaw guns the only people who dont't have them are law abiding citizens. |
Exactly. Perhaps the logic was that if someone decided not to abide the law then they wouldn't have a gun?
It was a pretty rare thing anyway, but the fact that over 600,000 were turned in says something. All I can think is it means that there is no longer a 600k strong potential militia who could defend against a threat, whatever it may be.
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Been looking further into relative rates and once again keep coming across statements to the same effect that much of this kind of information simply isn't available to me here. Censored.
Now add to that the new voluntarily (I have to wonder) enforced internet censorship based off a list unknown to the public (but can incur massive fines if say a link from the banned list is posted somewhere. Yes I see the problem as does everyone else) I don't know the validity of any information I am seeing.
Anyway, going back, I used to sleep with a hunting knife under my pillow and a crowbar under my bed.
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Three in a row!
I just want to apologise for all the bile. Like many I'm deeply worried about things around me. It was kind of topped off by discovering that if it wasn't for some censorship of information I could have avoided a bad transaction (VW related of course) and to top it off, last week someone broke into the local primary (elementary) school and stole all their fundraising money and petty cash. It takes the lowest of the low to steal money from children. Money they raised to go toward the school.
On a perhaps lighter note their biggest fundraiser of the year was a musical production about travelling around the country in a splittie  It was packed. I think pretty much the whole town was there.
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I can't speak for anyone else but I don't mind conversations about this stuff. You do, however, need to steer carefully as political discussions will get a topic locked on this board with a quickness. I can't say that I disagree about leaving politics alone on a board like this though. Its one of those weird things people can't seem to discuss rationally, someones opinion on how things should happen rile up others like you slept with their wife and killed their dog kind of angry.
However, I think rational discussions on gun laws while leaving out the political ramifications are probably a good thing. We have the 2nd amendment here in the US that grants us the right to bear arms and that was put in place specifically for self defense and to protect the population from a tyranical government. People seem to think that most of us American are gun wielding lunatics and that just isn't the case. While some may be others are simply interested in preserving the rights that our founding fathers granted us. I am one of those people. I believe that we should be able to own firearms, but I also think there is a place for assault weapons in the hands of citizens so I may be an exception. Proper regulation is of course needed. But over regulation strangles the intent of our right, it would also give a tyranical government the abiltiy to find the "threats" and simply weed them out. So I am against registering weapons because of the ability to track who has what, but I am not opposed to background checks and licensing of the individual to determine if the right to carry should extend to them. Then again I am a soldier through and through and I think about tactical implications on everything. I know there are people out there that disagree with me and I welcome their ideas and their right to say them to me.
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However, I think rational discussions on gun laws while leaving out the political ramifications are probably a good thing. We have the 2nd amendment here in the US that grants us the right to bear arms and that was put in place specifically for self defense and to protect the population from a tyranical government. People seem to think that most of us American are gun wielding lunatics and that just isn't the case. While some may be others are simply interested in preserving the rights that our founding fathers granted us. I am one of those people. I believe that we should be able to own firearms, but I also think there is a place for assault weapons in the hands of citizens so I may be an exception. Proper regulation is of course needed. But over regulation strangles the intent of our right, it would also give a tyranical government the abiltiy to find the "threats" and simply weed them out. So I am against registering weapons because of the ability to track who has what, but I am not opposed to background checks and licensing of the individual to determine if the right to carry should extend to them. Then again I am a soldier through and through and I think about tactical implications on everything. I know there are people out there that disagree with me and I welcome their ideas and their right to say them to me. |
This is the best, most thought out statement i've read about gun affairs in a long time. I 100% agree.
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