1957 Oval Project Questions

SixVolt · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject:

Ok, quick update. Just so I don't go down the wrong path. I'm assuming this was not a "major hack". After pulling the trans, I was able to remove the front mount and the "hack piece of steel". So below shows what I have.

While I may have access to a complete '58 drivetrain, my tentative plan is '60-'67 bus nose cone and hockey stick with luggage dimples on traditional front oval mount with the just removed 1960 solid case tranny. Sound ok? Is the mount depicted in the photos below a split case era front mount? or something else? I'll replace it anyway, but just wanted to know. Appreciate all your help and expertise.

Hack city
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Doesn't look like they hacked anything else. What say you?
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Here's the old mount. Split case era? or later?
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Here's how it looks mounted.
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The three cables seem to be ok, but there may never be a time like now to change them. I've read the choke is a pain.
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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

66brm · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject:

That is all standard equipment as far as I can make out, the front rubber mount has been butchered to fit with the plate that was attached. New ones are available. Are you looking to refit the later trans again or going back to the splitcase?
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Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval

SixVolt · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject:

There's a guy in my area who is selling a complete '58 pan w/ drivetrain and a working 36HP engine. I don't want the pan, but if the price is right on the drivetrain/engine I'll go back to stock. I've already got a rebuilt 36HP ready for this bug, but you can never have too many 36HP engines.

If the price isn't right, I'll use the later beetle trans and get the '60 - '67 bus nosecone w/ hockey stick, a new split case mount, drill the hockey stick for the 8mm coupler bolt. WW is out of mounts, but I'm sure other vendors have them.
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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

66brm · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject:

Most available hockey sticks are already drilled for the screw dimple, and I recently got a new front mount from Bergs.
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Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval

SixVolt · Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject:

Really got behind on this project with work and family commitments. I'm going to really bear down this winter and get it done.

Picking up with the tranny issue...

Here's the nose cone I have...
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I have a lead on a local split case tranny out of a '58 bug, but like me, the guy is behind on his projects.

I know my other option is this...
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211301205H

And this...
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113311541

What I'm not sure is which front mount is used? The original bug mount? http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111301265
or the later bus mount? http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211301265A

or this early one? http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111301265

If you look at the photos of my transmission I posted earlier, the numbers indicate that is probably a 1960. Many of the threads say the change to fully syncro was the '61 bug model year. But my trans is not a split case and I'm assuming it is 1st grear syncro. Did the tranny change happen mid year with beetles in 1960?

In a perfect world I'll put the split case tranny back into this bug for originality if I get it. If not, I'll do the bus nose cone & hockey stick drilled on top if I can figure out which front mount to use.

Oh yea, a fellow LEAKOILER (Gregg) loaded me up with 36HP parts. So many he had to push me out of the mud with his tractor!
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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

SixVolt · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject:

Going through boxes of parts. Window regulator question. Which one is right and which one is left? Appreciate the help.

Top one is 111837502C. (dated 3/57) Bottom is 111837501C. (dated 7/55)

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Top

Bottom

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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

valentinesr · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject:

Just fasten it to a vice, how they would be positioned in the door.. Then get a handle and crank.. You want the arm to drop the window down.. from the level point. Just by looking at the pictures.. I would say the top regulator is for the drivers side, and bottom for the passengers..
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SixVolt · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:42 am Post subject:

Thank you for the reply. Appreciate the help.

Now I notice I'm missing one of these "posts" (vertical) on the drivers side door. Here's the passenger door. What is the post that seems to be there with an inner lip to hold something called? It hooks in a groove at the bottom of the door and is held on top by a screw.

Thanks

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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

targetinspect · Samba Member Joined: January 10, 2011 Posts: 86

To attach a Door Handle, Arm Rest... I have several extras...

SixVolt · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject:

ozarkbaha · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject:

just looked over your thread i think your wish bones may be bent down from looking at your very first picture they bend down and pull the rubber away from the metal part of the mount years of rough roads that may be why your mount doesnt fit

SixVolt · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject:

SixVolt · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:38 am Post subject:

Still waiting on the split case tranny, but I'm assured I should have it soon.

So I'm onto some other issues.

Here's today's question for you oval experts.

How does the body to headlight bucket seal go on?

Up close it has a flat side and the other side has a ridge. The ridge side seems to be a 60/40 split with the ridge sitting just off the imaginary center line.

Does the flat side sit up against the body? Does the seal attach to the housing and then go up against the body?

Here are some pics I have...

Pinched on top but you can see the seal on body...
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You can see that 60/40 split here

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Here's the flat side
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Here it sits with flat side down 40 part to fender 60 to rim
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another shot same as above...
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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

Schwing · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:50 am Post subject:

SixVolt · Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject:

Ok, Oval experts. Here's today's question. Appreciate the help.

Which way does the wide front hood seal (the top one closest to the windshield) go into the groove? Ribbed side up? or Smooth side up?

Here's ribbed side up....
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Here's smooth side up....
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On the side front seals does the flap go "up" when the seal is in the groove? or should it lay down?

Flap up...
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Flap down...
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Appreciate all your help and advice.
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It's me, Sean
1957 Oval (36 horse 6 volt)
1959 SO-23 Westfalia (36 horse 6 volt)
1978 Transporter (6 volts too many)

Rome · Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject:

Wonderful color on your oval!

Reading thru from beginning, your fender bolts, as well as those holding the gas tank to the body are M8x1.25 threads. During the 1950's VW used M8 bolts which utilized a 14mm wrench size. If you have some of these in your loose parts, SAVE them! They don't seem to be remanufactured anymore; current ones, as well as those from VW from the early 60's had 13mm wrench size. Those will work just fine but are not authentic.

As you found out per previous post, the M6 screws/bolts are M6x1.0, usually with 10mm wrench size.

Window regulators: Back from my brief time at VW of America over 25 years ago, I remember that if you have "mirror image" parts, those ending with "1" or another odd number were for the left side of the car; those ending with "2" or an incrementally higher even number were for right/passenger side. Have you tested your window winders to verify their direction/application per the part numbers?

SixVolt · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject:

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