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Bobnotch
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VeeDub Fasty
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Dave, thank you for confirming my decision & research! I will keep up my search for some new doors, mine are too far gone to worry about repairing. Good luck on yours.
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suruba
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it's 3am and I'm sitting here typing after soaking myself in gasoline...it's odd how strongly i have to resist the urge to light a cigarette and I don't even smoke...
After going to Brent's house yesterday and watching him rebuild me two wheel cylinders, I went home and installed one, couldn't get it to bleed, or get any fluid to the cylinder whatsoever...it's weird.
Anyhow the wife called me in at about 730 pm yesterday to wash up and hang out with the family since i'd been fiddling with the car most of the day and hadn't had much face time with them. I didn't get to finish and it was bothering the hell out of me
Fast forward to 1am after I couldn't sleep, I woke up, got dressed in shop clothes and went down to reassemble what I'd taken apart earlier in the day. It only took about 15 minutes and I got to playing around with some other stuff, fixed ONE brake light, it runs off of the rear most sensor, oddly enough it's the one that doesn't have any hacked up wires, go figure! they were just incorrectly connected. I'm not sure they're connected 100% right, but at least one tail light lights up when you press the brakes. I can't get the left side to work Question: Does one sensor control one side and one the other? How do they work? Why are there two?
I'd bought a length of fuel hose yesterday to fix a leaking one from the tank to the hard line. It's now 2 am when i decided to replace it and when I replaced it i couldn't get the dang clamps tightened and gas was hemorrhaging all over me and the floor. I think i lost about a gallon and a half, what a bear!
Anyhow... I took the car off the stands and rolled it forward, the brakes still work, even though the rear won't bleed and I have a very stiff pedal. The right front wheel locks under hard braking. Brent offered to let me borrow a master cylinder until I get one ordered, so I'll pick that up tomorrow after school and get it all buttoned up. Reading through threads I've found that I'll need an 18" hard line for the updated master cylinder to correctly position all of the sensors and hoses. According to the pictures and discussions in other threads I have an updated version, not the 69 master cylinder with 3 sensors, which explains why I have a loose wire with a plastic connector with brown and blue (i think) wires in them (apparently this is for the brake failure light in the cabin, or so I am assuming)
I'm probably going to be tired as hell in the morning but at least my mind is somewhat at rest knowing that I'll be able to drive the car tomorrow and not have to ride a dang bike!
Cheers 
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Woreign
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| suruba wrote: | | Question: Does one sensor control one side and one the other? How do they work? Why are there two? |
The brake lights work on the same circuit. If you have only have one brake light, then there is a problem with the other (bulb or wiring).
The two sensors are there to trip the brake warning light on the dash. If one sensor is faulty, the light will illuminate to warn you of impending brake failure. With a dual master cylinder, either the front or the rear brakes can fail and you will still have some braking capability.
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suruba
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awesome! Thanks
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Bobnotch
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| Woreign wrote: | | suruba wrote: | | Question: Does one sensor control one side and one the other? How do they work? Why are there two? |
The brake lights work on the same circuit. If you have only have one brake light, then there is a problem with the other (bulb or wiring). |
Yeah, and power from the switches (what you're calling sensors) go to the left brake light first, then to the right one. So, IF your right brake light works, then the problem is either the left bulb, or a grounding issue on that light. It's probably a corroded socket (bulb not making a good ground connection), or a bad housing to body connection (need to loosen, then retighten the 2 mounting screws).
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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suruba
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even better news, thank you bob, I'll go check out all of those right now
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Right On!
You posted!
Congratulations!
You had an electrical fire on the way home?
I remember the window cranks being gone!
WhooHoo! Getting Highed Up on plastic smoke!
Baptism by fire!
I thought that car was a pretty good deal.
The motor sounded really, really, good.
That is a Don August motor.
Built back in the day when he really built some nice motors.
If you get a chance,
bring those pictures by Volks Cafe.
Aircooled Chris could probably tell you about the car,
or even get you in touch with the PO?
Did you put the new flex hoses on?
If not, the old ones are probably pinched closed.
They collapse internally.
Also search "bench bleed" for your master...
My favorite fix for a PO hacked harness is a new harness.
it forces you to take and trace every wire.
Unfortunatley, my experience with 'fixed' wiring is a game of chase.
Even if you do get them all right, the fixes can be shakey at best.
I also like to start with doing all of the grounds first;
that can save you headaches from chasing the wrong end of the tail, so to speak.
Ya, that was a pretty cool night.
Brent called and asked if i wanted to go and look at a car...
And, BAM! you bought that sucker, just like that.
Kudos to you for having the cojones...
I think you got a good car for the price.
Buying a car like that, an "ex custom", has it's own set of challenges.
You will have plenty of opportunities to hate the PO for sure.
But, then again, you get to benefit from the huge loss he took by selling it.
Really, i think you will come out ahead.
You get to drive it, and work on the body, brakes, misc. while still enjoying the car.
One like mine, while original, needed all of the mechanicals done before going anywhere...
And, in the end, originality amounted for very little,
as it doesn't matter if a completely worn out and wasted part is OG or not...
So, props to you.
Let me know if you need anything, or end up coming up to SC.
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suruba
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What a great day.
I messaged Brent the other day about carb tuning, and we ended up going to clatter's house today to use his drill press and precision jet drills to take my 55 idle jets to approximately 49's
before today i could hardly keep the motor running, and it wouldn't idle at all.
so after we had a great day of hanging out and talking VW's all day, we came home and Brent helped me adjust the carbs, they were all out of whack and we got them dialed in in about 30 minutes.
I learned quite a bit today, and Clatter was nice enough to give me a copy of the idiot guide.
I couldn't have met two better dudes, and it was funny that three guys running DCNFs were together in the same room, according to them that's pretty rare.
Thanks again guys, i had a great time today, your hospitality is second to none
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suruba
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The Man in Brown brought me a Valentine's present
I got an ISPWest Full Wiring harness and a new Master Cylinder with new blue hose to bypass the metal hoses in between the reservoir and the master.
tomorrow I'll put on the master cylinder and hopefully have all of my brakes working, instead of just the fronts
Does anyone have any tips or tricks for doing the wiring harness?
If you've done one, how hard was it, how long did it take? What panels should I remove, or what else should I take out to help make this easier?
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Temmett
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I put in a new harness on my 69 Square. In retrospect I made it a lot harder than it had to be. It was the first thing I did to my car and I had no idea how easy it was to simply remove panels, fenders, and such. I was trying to avoid tearing the car down and it made things worse. I can't really offer much help other than saying, it is not that bad.
One "tip" I'd suggest is to remove the old harness step by step as you go. What I mean... pull the main harness and then install the new one. Then pull the headlight loom and install the new one and so on. This worked well for me. I learned a lot about my car's wiring by paying attention to where the old wires physically were and where the diagram said they should have been.
Sorry, that's all I got.
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suruba
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Temmett, I've read your whole blog and thread, and I'm really impressed
In retrospect, what would you do different when doing the harness? What panels would you remove?
Are there any tools or tricks that you think would make it easier?
Did you use any looming?
would looming help?
I'll definately take your advice by taking the harness out step by step and paying attention to where the old went, I'm pretty sure I can just lay most of the new on top of the old as I'm installing pin by pin, i could wrong though
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suruba
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awesome, I was aware of the rear fender, but I wasn't sure about the front, thanks for the tip. I should have some friends come by to help me out, hopefully it doesn't take too long
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Bobnotch
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| supaninja wrote: | | Bob, just so I don't sound like an uppity 1500 owner, lol, when did VW make the change away from the tube through the rocker for the wire harness? |
I'm not 100% sure, but by 68 they were inside the car, except for the Notch and T-34 body style which kept the harness thru the rocker until the end of their production. Granted the T-34 was only produced thru 69, but the Notch stayed in production until 73, and had a front end redesign. I never quite understood why VW didn't change it, but it probably had something to do with the door "A" pillar design.  Remember, the Notch also kept it's 3 bolt door hinges thru the end of production too. When I rebuilt my 71 Notch, I moved it inside, just because I was replacing the rockers and skins.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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suruba
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After a long weekend full of learning how to wire a car, I've successfully wired my car. Everything works and I couldn't be happier. It was kind of difficult staying on track but I got it in, and it looks good. Everything has a nice place. I broke my shift lever when I was trying to get the blinkers to work, it was all gummed up and wasn't allowing contact. I think I might be able to put it back together, I didn't actually BREAK anything, I just tore it apart kind of roughly trying to take it off the column.
Many lessons learned. I cleaned the entire interior, got rid of all the old dust and junk, and made everything look as good as possible before I start putting things back together.
I finished wiring the car at about 10 pm last night, then I installed new blue brake hoses replacing the softline/hardline combination that was leaking like a seive.
I also replaced the rear wheel cylinders and bled the brakes.
it's comforting to see my lights turn on, my running lights working, my brake lights functioning and my blinkers working (i used a jumper wire to test that they work, and they do)
the biggest pain in the neck was figuring out how to wire the flasher relay, but I got that sorted out with some help from a lot oof you guys on here.
A big thank you to everyone who helped, some local guys who came to say hello and Bobnotch for his replies to my wiring thread.
I drove it to school this morning after adjusting the valves VIA the quick and dirty method, it worked great and only took about 15 minutes.
I love this car so much, I can't wait to get a theme going on it. But for now I drive it every day to school and back. Next up is new braided brake lines and I have to rebuild my front calipers, they're in need of some love.
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Once you have that wing window back, you'll really appreciate them. I even kept the wing windows after I cut the roof off of my Square-vert. 
