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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject: Sliding door runner cover removal problems Reply with quote

73 westy .. I'm trying to remove the sliding door runner cover to address some small rust issues before the become larger.. but I'm having troubles.

I've removed the three screws but both Bentley and Haynes refer to a retaining strip which I dont seem to have one of.. it does not even look like I have a place for one.

The cover seems to be held very firmly in place by a row of clips.. before I do something stupid (always an option) am I missing something? or do I just take the rubber mallet to it?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bentley neglects to mention that the strip ended in the 71 model year, a 73 won't have one.
Rubber hammer or a piece of 1X4 with the end ground to a chisel tip so it gets right up into the top bend is your next step.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you get the phillips head screw from the inside of the car?

could be a late bay thing...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got the inside screw.. getting the rubber mallet out now..

Thanks guys..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my early 72 has the strip, I think - terrible way to hold that piece on, like nails over a chalkboard to think about installing those. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is kind of an old thread, but I just removed the cover on my wife's 70 and the retaining strip is trashed. It was mostly rusted away. I could only get the front half it to break free before buckling out the gap in the middle of the rail. Anyway, is there a replacement for it out there somewhere? Didn't see one at The Bus Depot. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been running without mine for 10+ years on the 71, can't tell the difference, later buses didn't even have them from the factory.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if initially this strip could have been a security feature - maybe its possible to take out the 3 philips screws, remove the cover and lift/bump the back of your slider door up and off? d'oh! i dunno...maybe not? ...i'm not going to try.

i can't see why else they would use the strip on the slider door side and not the other side...?


personally, i kinda like the strip for some reason. sure its a bit of a pain, maybe useless, but i think its kind of an interesting application of wedges.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We may end up running without also Busdaddy. But since the channel is wider than the ones that don't use the strip, I don't want the cover to rattle around in the channel without the added thickness of the strip to fill the gap. Perhaps using a thicker seal such as a length of fender beading?

The security idea is an intriguing one rustbus, but I think the latch at the rear of the door might make it hard to pry out. You could definitely take the hinge loose though.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Sliding door runner cover removal problems Reply with quote

My '68 has the retaining strip but it would not budge until I removed the plastic beading between the cover and body. I would like to know how to get the cover off of the other side (drivers).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just like Busdaddy says, get yourself a piece of 1x4, about 2 feet long worked for me. Bevel one end to match the inside of the cover. Remove the three screws holding he cover down and slide it up under the cover and start banging away with the rubber mallet on the opposite end of your 1x4 to drive the cover up. I found it best on both sides to start from the rear and once it starts to move, just work your way forward. Also, I had the windows out when I did this so I could take a putty knife and pry between the seal and the channel to help free it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

classifieds for a used one or buster bus or busco.

They aren't bad to drive loose if kept greased and done every few years but if rusty I can't imagine one coming apart easily. My 1971 had one and I was dreading that removal on this 1977. I cannot tell you how pleased I was to find that 1977 did not use them.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 78 has the strip. When putting the cover back on do you remove the strip, install the cover, and then slide the strip back in place? Tried reinstalling the cover with the strip in place and not having much luck so far.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SixStringMadMan wrote:
My 78 has the strip. When putting the cover back on do you remove the strip, install the cover, and then slide the strip back in place? Tried reinstalling the cover with the strip in place and not having much luck so far.


I took my cover off and it removed like a dream.
To re-install I will place the plastic trim on the cover then install to the body.
I think I will use 303 protectant on the plastic to also act like a lubricant to make the install even more easy. Wink
Also make sure none of the body clips are bent and adjust as necessary.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Bentley neglects to mention that the strip ended in the 71 model year, a 73 won't have one.
Rubber hammer or a piece of 1X4 with the end ground to a chisel tip so it gets right up into the top bend is your next step.

Data point: My extremely early '73 (VIN 2332000009) did have the strip.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SixStringMadMan wrote:
My 78 has the strip. When putting the cover back on do you remove the strip, install the cover, and then slide the strip back in place? Tried reinstalling the cover with the strip in place and not having much luck so far.

Do you mean the black plastic strip?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtauxe wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
Bentley neglects to mention that the strip ended in the 71 model year, a 73 won't have one.
Rubber hammer or a piece of 1X4 with the end ground to a chisel tip so it gets right up into the top bend is your next step.

Data point: My extremely early '73 (VIN 2332000009) did have the strip.


The metal strip that retains the sliding door cover? Not the beading.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SixStringMadMan wrote:
My 78 has the strip. When putting the cover back on do you remove the strip, install the cover, and then slide the strip back in place? Tried reinstalling the cover with the strip in place and not having much luck so far.


I take that by "strip" you mean the plastic gasket/beading? When I had my cover off awhile back, I went to reinstall it, using a new beading, and could not get that thing back in place for the life of me. Tried and tried, and ended up just putting the cover back on without the beading, as it was a no-go.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtauxe wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
Bentley neglects to mention that the strip ended in the 71 model year, a 73 won't have one.
Rubber hammer or a piece of 1X4 with the end ground to a chisel tip so it gets right up into the top bend is your next step.

Data point: My extremely early '73 (VIN 2332000009) did have the strip.

My bad, I meant 72 model year, 2209768 still has one Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SixStringMadMan wrote:
My 78 has the strip. When putting the cover back on do you remove the strip, install the cover, and then slide the strip back in place? Tried reinstalling the cover with the strip in place and not having much luck so far.


I take that by "strip" you mean the plastic gasket/beading? When I had my cover off awhile back, I went to reinstall it, using a new beading, and could not get that thing back in place for the life of me. Tried and tried, and ended up just putting the cover back on without the beading, as it was a no-go.


We need to define ourselves here before it becomes an abbott and costello routine.
Beading, black plastic
Strip, longitudinal metal piece that "locks" the runner down.

All model years should have the beading (BusterBrown, you can apply a light glue to hold the beading on the runner then babysit the beading as you tap the runner into place).
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