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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: Split Huf steering lock - L. 719 010 - details |
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Since most of the details regarding these are well spread on the pre53 section, but not in one thread, and since i started repairing stucked ones, i thought i'd open this. i will show you a completely opened up unit, telling anyone interested how to open up one without breaking anything.
first of all, today i got the second one and surprise... it's brown.
all i knew that most of them were black, or ivory. the nos one in the box is black, and the ivory one seems restored.
now, the one i got is brown. aged, pitted, corroded, but the inside showing the internals is still brown, brown as well under the aluminum STOP/GARAGE/FAHRT bezel .
later this day i will post pics with an opened unit. any thoughts about this color? _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
1974 T2 Westfalia Campmobile
1976 MK1 Golf |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Is it possible that the brown one was a factory option, in which case they offered them in the matching color? I know a lot of later splits have the lock cage present on the steering wheel column from the factory.
I have only seen black ones so I don't know that ivory is correct. _________________ Chris
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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:09 am Post subject: |
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ok then, so what's with the brown color? i can't find any trace of black on it. and seems like it was only painted once.
i will prepare a "restore your Huff" lesson in about some hours. i took the pics but have no time to elaborate now _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
1974 T2 Westfalia Campmobile
1976 MK1 Golf |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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I would not be so quick to say that they were all black.
All the ones I have seen have been black, but It would make sense to me that if one was ordered as a factory option, (assuming they were available as a factory option) that they would offer it it in the same color as the column.
It is possible that someone at some point took it completely apart, bead blasted it and painted it to match the car it was going into but I would want to do some more digging before I said that they were always black.
Only having it in black as an add on part makes sense. Only one part to stock. Black will go with any color scheme. If they had offered them in colors they would have had several different versions to stock.
I would feel confident in saying that they were all black if you bought it from the dealer as an add on part.
Whether or not they could be ordered from the factory color matched is the big question and I don't think can be answered either way at this point.
Do you have any history on the brown one? _________________ Chris
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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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i remember that with semaphores it was the same:
replacements/spare parts were black
original in the car from factory =body color.
based on this assumption, i can only think that we can indeed have brown, ivory and black colored locks, as i know splits had ivory/brown steering tube..
by the way, the lock i have is also brown inside the lock cylinder area. the pin that held the lock in place was unharmed (see pics). i think these were painted somewhere outside factory, or at least assembled after being painted, thus all areas being painted ok. _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
1974 T2 Westfalia Campmobile
1976 MK1 Golf |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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If they were offered in the matching column colors they were probably painted at the supplier when they were manufactured. It would be easier to control the supply chain on the manufacturing side as to what colors they needed. _________________ Chris
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Is there any evidence that the factory might have installed those as an option? I know they did some optional builds, but I have a hard time seeing them do that on the "line". Possible though.
The other question is did that lock 1) come with a whole new steering column rod with the slotted sleeve on it? or 2) come with just the sleeve and you have to take your rod out and install/weld the sleeve? or 3) did all rods of that era on it have that sleeve on them?
Curious as I have 2 of those locks, one is NOS. Both are black. _________________ John Henry
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splitvws Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have had three of these over the years and they have all been black. I have seen afew in ivory but they were ones that had been restored so who knows what they started as. The brown one looks like it could have always been brown going from the pics showning the inside. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
did all rods of that era on it have that sleeve on them?
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the bin of steering columns in the center bottom of this picture seems to show all of them with the cage already attached.
_________________ Chris
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
johnshenry wrote: |
did all rods of that era on it have that sleeve on them?
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the bin of steering columns in the center bottom of this picture seems to show all of them with the cage already attached.
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No, I think that is the commutator brush for the horn circuit. The lock cage would be much closer to the splined end.
That pic is from the 40s too, don't think that lock went back that far.... _________________ John Henry
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Grant Reiling Samba Slow-Change Artist
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
johnshenry wrote: |
did all rods of that era on it have that sleeve on them?
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the bin of steering columns in the center bottom of this picture seems to show all of them with the cage already attached.
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No, I think that is the commutator brush for the horn circuit. The lock cage would be much closer to the splined end.
That pic is from the 40s too, don't think that lock went back that far.... |
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usariemen Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:56 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
That pic is from the 40s too, don't think that lock went back that far.... |
I think it does.
I know it as an often seen option in late 40s CCG cars. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
johnshenry wrote: |
did all rods of that era on it have that sleeve on them?
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the bin of steering columns in the center bottom of this picture seems to show all of them with the cage already attached.
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No, I think that is the commutator brush for the horn circuit. The lock cage would be much closer to the splined end.
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In the voice of Ed McMahon... You are Incorrect Sir...
The commutator is down at the same height as the top rail of the bin. _________________ Chris
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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Ok, so here's the dismantling process.
1. undo the 2 slotted bolts. use a sharp screwdriver to avoid damaging the slot. sometimes these get stuck. i used a portable drill with a screwdriver bit, using the torque settings. after a few attempts they broke loose.
2. this is the electric contact setup: the inside bakelite piece pivots on a pin, providing contacts from BATT. to INSTR and ZUND. so, it provides electricity to start button/ignition and instrument panel. hints: please check under the triangular brass piece. there are 3 small springs. mines were corroded. to test that the contact piece is still ok, put it inside and gently press the cover. you should feel some spring resistance there. also some contact cleaner/fine grit sandpaper takes out the corrosion on contacts.
3. now here's what's under the cover: the spring that pushes against the pin is easy to take out. first pic shows the contact in the ignition position. now you can move the EIN/AUS lever. the second shows the contact in stop position. now the EIN/AUS lever can't be moved.
HINT: do NOT try to rotate the lever in the lock position. you will break it. ask me how i know that.
4. you can see here how the inside piece moves. from left to right, and does not rotate. in the locked position the EIN/AUS vever will not move so it prevents starting the car. (well, is not easy to make a short on the back of the electricity panel ) also the steering is locked in position as the steel pin in the front is inserted in the oval slots of the lock device on steering shaft.
5. now to attack the lock cylinder. the aluminum bezel with STOP/GARAGE/FAHRT is just pressed there. with a small flat screwdriver tap the edges lightly and it will pop out.
in the "finger" casting there will be an aluminum rivet. you have 2 options. one is to drill deep and then remove the cylinder. as i later found out, the aluminum rivet just protects the slotted head of a small pointed bolt. carefully remove the aluminum rivet and with a small screwdriver undo the pointed bolt.
6. here's how the lock cylinder sits inside: has an eccentric area that moves the inside piece from left to right.
7. the inside piece has a small metal piece that holds the steel pin inside. if you get that part out, the front steel piece must come out. mine is still a bit stuck, moves only a few mm. that steel piece is spring loaded so it should come out easy
8. various pics: the key is a F profile, made by HUF. i think Beetlekey has some new units for sale , but on his website he said he can't have a key cut by code number. i am sure that if you just take out the lock cylinder to a decent locksmith he can cut a key for you based on present configuration.
you can also see the EIN/AUS lever that i broke, not knowing it was in the locked position. i'll have to think creative and make a hole inside to fit a threaded bolt, then use some strong adhesive. the metal that is made of would surely not withstand welding techniques.
also you can see a checklist of all the parts you need to have a functional Huf steering lock.
this lock that was opened up for resto/learn purposes will be sold, i'll just keep the brown one for my split.
Have fun! _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
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1976 MK1 Golf |
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
In the voice of Ed McMahon... You are Incorrect Sir...
The commutator is down at the same height as the top rail of the bin. |
Right your are, corrected I am.... _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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mr. warehouse Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I just added one of these to my (John H's old) 11G
It was used and was black. It's brown now to match the rest of the interior accessories.
Thanks for the info. I need the proper key for a spare, and I'd like to detail it a bit better but was afraid to pull it apart without know what was inside. |
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sinclair Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Split Huf steering lock - L. 719 010 - details |
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Eurodub. You absolute gem 😃 |
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tmdenis Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Split Huf steering lock - L. 719 010 - details |
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Anyone please help! I’m looking for the measurements of and where the cage on the steering shaft is placed.
I’m creating one and need to install it in the correct location on the shaft.
Please if you can provide measurements from the top of the shaft without the nut to the cage. Size of the cage as well.
Also the steering tube. I’m looking for measurements of where that hole goes too. Pictures would be great as well!!
If anyone could help!
Thanks in advanced
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