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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB has this one too for just under your budget
http://cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1884

crud i just realized it doesn't have the ECU, but this is a pretty cool kit anyway
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My goal is something that is optimum for this engine combo, but something that won't deplete the funds.


Optimum for all situations requires vac/map, magna spark digital or megajolt, neither are in your budget.

conclusion raise budget or change goal.


I posted this thread to get different opinions...basically anything better than what I am already using. I am quickly learning that the electronic stuff is where it is at and worth the cost. I frankly don't have the time to dig around in junkyards and locate parts that I am not familiar with, so I will probably have to wait until I can get a whole kit that is guaranteed to work. Too bad my 034 didn't work.


Last year I changed over from a 010 to the CB digital magnaspark, Neither gave me any problems. I can however say that I have got no noticeable performance gains from the magnaspark. The problem is in having the equipment to Dial all this fancy stuff in. (tried a chassis dyno session ans they were no help)
With the magna spark having map sensed extra advance i have tried this at 36 to 40 degrees and have seen no MPG gains over the 010's at 30 advance. (cruise air/fuel ratio of 17 to 1)

Conclusion.
Carbs + 010
or
FI + programmable ignition and the equipment to tune it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Performance distributor experts...which one? Reply with quote

hi smitty24 to me keep it simple . there are so many distributors out there.and every one will say theres is the best lol . when i buy a distributor . i buy one were parts are easy to find . if some thing goes wrong with the distributor . when i am on the road. on a trip .the last thing i want is to have to have my vw towed . be cause i cant do a easy fix on the road . my self i like a mallory distributor . its easy to set up . parts are out there and its well made . this year i am trying a mallory uni-lite but i will keep in my bug. a points mallory distributor just in case the uni-lite fails on the road .most all distributor will work just fine . so what ever one you buy should get the job done . good luck spencerfvee
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Used to have an 034 Svda...vac advance wouldn't work with my Weber carbs, no matter what any of me or my guys tried. A German 009 has been getting me around, but it is time for something more optimum for my setup. (Not looking for digital) also on a budget= preferably around $200

I have been looking at the CB Magnaspark 2 (non-digital) as well as Bosch 019, 010, or attempting another Svda. Ive spent countless hours reading and am getting a lot of conflicting opinion. Anyone help clarify which is better for my setup or have better suggestions? Thanks in advance!! Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've been able to dig up, the EDIS crank trigger is accurate down to 5/32 of one degree. There is no distributor on the market that will touch that accuracy. The gear lash between the distributor pinion and brass crank gear knock it out of the park before you even get to the distributor. No matter how well build a distributor is, it just can't touch it.

And like other mentioned, a fully mappable ignition table, no cap and rotor to reduce energy to the plug, etc. The nicest distributor out there can't touch the cheapest crank trigger kit. And before anyone says it, yes, you can add a high powered CDI system to crank trigger if needed. Me, I just up the dwell on my coil drivers for a hot spark.


For the DIY trigger wheel guys, a Ford Taurus trigger wheel is sized right for a stock diameter pulley, a Ford Escort is perfect for a power pulley.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish someone would wire a step by step tutorial about what to get and how to go through setting up EDIS. I have been to different web sites and read various posts, but one specifically written for an aircooled vw would be helpful especially when you are flying solo and depend on the vw for transportaion.

No doubt there is benefits to this type of ignition as Eric has stated.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vugbug68 wrote:
CB has this one too for just under your budget
http://cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1884

crud i just realized it doesn't have the ECU, but this is a pretty cool kit anyway


CB said they are working on the ECU.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

74 Thing wrote:
I wish someone would wire a step by step tutorial about what to get and how to go through setting up EDIS. I have been to different web sites and read various posts, but one specifically written for an aircooled vw would be helpful especially when you are flying solo and depend on the vw for transportaion.

No doubt there is benefits to this type of ignition as Eric has stated.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Running EDIS on a MS-1 Extra ECU is quite simple.

4 cylinder EDIS is found on the 1991-1994 Ford Escort with the 1.9 liter engine only. You can also buy it online which for the price of somewhere around $60.00 is not bad compared to crawling around a junkyard or muddy field trying to get the parts yourself.

There are only two wires needed for the ECU to control the advance and that is what is called the PIP and SAW.

The technical stuff is on the MSefi website if you want to read it.

All the rest of the wiring is contained between the coil pack, the VR sensor and the Module.
Here is a link for the wiring diagram for a 4 cylinder engine.

You can also run your tach off the module.... I pulled the signal off of pin #2.

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm

I am redoing my EDIS wiring right now and will try to post some pictures of it once I get it all placed nicely.

Since I have a new engine going together at the moment I am moving the coil and module from the original spot to the front side of the engine for a cleaner look.

Here is my coil mounting.

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The spark plug wires I used came off of a 97 Ford F150 pickup with the 4.6 liter engine. Out of the 8 wires I got for $10.00, I used 4 of them and the lengths have come out just about perfect.
New price for wires are well over $50.00

Here is a mount I made for the VR sensor and the Pulley/trigger wheel I picked up used for $75.00.

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The VR sensor has two wires that need to go to the module, those connect to number 5 and 6 on the 12 pin module plug.

Module pin # 8 Is Switched power

Module pin # 9 Is ground

Module pin #10 is Coil A trigger or pin #1 on Coil plug

Module pin #12 is Coil B trigger or pin #3 on Coil plug

Pin # 2 on coil is Switched power for the coil.

I'll post more pics once I get the wiring done on the Module.

Oh.....And before you ask why I have a distributor installed yet it is because I am running a blow through stock carb turbo setup. I am using the stock fuel pump which has been boost referenced so I need to keep the distributor drive in place with it.
It would be nice to get rid of it but I am too cheap to pay for an electric fuel pump and fancy regulator when the stock stuff works great.
I've tested it to 13 lbs. boost so far.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That part looks pretty easy, but what about programing the timing curves and such in the megajolt? is there a good step by step on what
program(s) to use and how to do it? that is the part i dont really understand.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on what engine you have.

That is the great thing about it...you can adjust it to whatever you or your engine wants.

There other settings to use too if you want.

Boost retard
Inlet Air Temp retard
Cold idle advance

It is just a mouse click away to adjust it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crank fire with a full map is great, BUT

If you don't know what your engine wants, or you don't know how to figure out what your engine wants, you'll either hate it, or ruin your engine.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eaallred wrote:
Crank fire with a full map is great, BUT

If you don't know what your engine wants, or you don't know how to figure out what your engine wants, you'll either hate it, or ruin your engine.



That's what i want to know. I realize it can run bad or ruin an engine, that's why i have not pursued my install any farther. My engine is pretty much stock now and i would like to get a megajolt/crankfire set up, and learn how to use it before i do more horsepower mods. So..how do i begin?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone wrote a how to guide for installation and map set up I would buy it.

Its always much easier to get shown how to do it first hand but due to locations that is not always possible.

Reading material could be helpful in that case.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

74 Thing wrote:
If someone wrote a how to guide for installation and map set up I would buy it.



Here, now stop whining and get your wallets out. Cool

http://www.corvairnut.com/EDIS.htm

I wrote it. It's based on the install I did to my Corvair, but all the same rules apply to the VW. There's just one less coil, and the 90 degree sensor offset is the only difference. As for tuning, read this.

http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms1extra/MS_Extra_Tuning_Manual.htm#sparkmap

It's an MS thing, but again, could apply to nearly any engine.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smitty24 wrote:
krusher wrote:
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My goal is something that is optimum for this engine combo, but something that won't deplete the funds.


Optimum for all situations requires vac/map, magna spark digital or megajolt, neither are in your budget.

conclusion raise budget or change goal.


I posted this thread to get different opinions...basically anything better than what I am already using. I am quickly learning that the electronic stuff is where it is at and worth the cost. I frankly don't have the time to dig around in junkyards and locate parts that I am not familiar with, so I will probably have to wait until I can get a whole kit that is guaranteed to work. Too bad my 034 didn't work.

DUDE, I said I have the junk! I've already done the diggin, I'm VERY familiar with the EDIS stuff. All you gotta do is say you want it, its yours come over and we'll make it happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoatx wrote:
Eaallred wrote:
Crank fire with a full map is great, BUT

If you don't know what your engine wants, or you don't know how to figure out what your engine wants, you'll either hate it, or ruin your engine.



That's what i want to know. I realize it can run bad or ruin an engine, that's why i have not pursued my install any farther. My engine is pretty much stock now and i would like to get a megajolt/crankfire set up, and learn how to use it before i do more horsepower mods. So..how do i begin?

Thanks,
Randy


The problem is you need some way to tell whether timing changed you make are better or worse, that the problem i have had, I change things around and cant tell any difference driving the vehicle. Confused

its like timing your engine at 28/30/32 full advance and trying to tell the difference by just driving , very hard.

Its needs dyno time etc to really dial it in.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chip= Ill call ya tomorrow! Is there a way to bolt that trigger wheel to my pulley? I thought you needed the system on your new motor?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that I'd read somewhere that the flywheel could be used as a trigger wheel. Anyone ever done this?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen it done over on STF through the diagnostic plug hole, there was one guy that machined recesses into the back of the FW to replicate the "teeth" for the pickup

Found it

http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=135502
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thread is a year old and he switched out to a more traditional pulley mounted trigger wheel.

The reason I want to use my flywheel is that I'm running a bus engine and cooling system. The fan is mounted on the crank snout instead of a regular pulley.
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