E50-E100 and/or Pure or Petrol-Diluted Methanol

Lobotomy

I know people use E85 here all the time, but how many of you roll E100? Are there any significant mods that need to be made? From what I've heard, E100 likes to eat carbs. Is this true?

What about Methanol? I hear it's just as viable an option.

I'm looking into this because Petroleum fuels are expected to continue rising, and I'm tired of big oil fiscally raping me.
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tripicana · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:59 am Post subject:

are you going to start brewing your own ethanol?
my friend makes his own shine, even with a 55 gallon drum fermenting, and a keg sized still, brewing a gallon of ethanol takes quite a long time.
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Lobotomy · Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:37 am Post subject:

pozz907420 · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:06 am Post subject:

ethanol is a bad bad thing.It cost more to make then its worth.It isn't gas and is a total scam by the gov't.It is not like bio-diesel fuel
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Lobotomy · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject:

KopfenJager · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:47 am Post subject:

There are many ways to produce ethanol. A lot of youtube videos on home ethanol production. The prblem with enthanol now is that we as a country use the least effinient method to produce ethanol. We use corn, not so bad, BUT we use diesel combines to harvest. Confused

The plants or refineries that make the ethanol, were not made to specificly produce ethanol. They make what ever is more profitable at the time being. In Oregon we have a lot of timber. We could use pyrosis IE wood gassifictaoin and produce ethanol from wood as well as methanol. There are a lot of ways to skin this cat, just big oil is standing in the way. AND YOU WOULD TO, if you were making their kind of money, well maybe not, but most would.
As far as E100 being bad on parts, it can be if the parts are 30yrs old IE original VW. Most current rubbers and plastics are ok in ethanol. 15% gas in E85 helps get the engine started and it offers lubrication. Methanol is another story its extremly corrosive, but could be used in gas turbines to make electricity for electric cars in citys (wich I think they should get huge subsidies on electric vehicles in the city) Again this has too be seen from a broad angle. G-Oil or motor oil produced from renderd animal fat can be used also, as well, we can make bio diesel from it.

Lobotomy · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:37 am Post subject:

Thanks for the post. You've given me a lot to think about. Now if only there was a way to produce a biodiesel-like fuel for standard petrol engines. That would change EVERYTHING.
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KopfenJager · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:50 am Post subject:

The germans produced a synthetic gas for airplanes from coal. Here is a link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel

Bobnotch · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:34 am Post subject:

Lobotomy · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject:

As much as I hate to side with the government, Corn is among the most unhealthy vegetables you can eat. It is a bit of a downer that cattle is affected though.

Anyway, point definitely taken, but just know that gas isn't going to stay at this "cozy" level of ~$3.50-$4.10 a gallon.

I'm one of those people who likes to nip a problem in the bud before it happens, so I'd like to find a petroleum fuel substitute that is both cost effective and harmless to my car. Ethanol seems to fill that niche for now...

...Unless there is a more viable alternative out there.
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1974 Super Beetle "Reginald"
1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
1958 Honda c-100

Cars I want:
Lancia Stratos
50's-67 VW Bus

Cars I had:
VW Type 181 (I miss you ='( )
Dodge Neon (What a piece of shit. Never buy Dodge, folks.)

doc1369 · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject:

There is a alterantive, walking Laughing

. The fuel station carrys the fuel so you're boned unless your time is worthess and you brew your own fuel. Do what the rest of the world did, find a source of transpertation that requires less fuel. I paid 1800 bucks for a motorcyle that gets over 50mpg. Much easier than making my own fuel wearing a funny looking hat Razz

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VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:22 am Post subject:

The world has to make the choice to move away from Dino fuel. Until that happpens and vehicle manufactures, government, big oil, and the people ban togother to "allow" an alternate that is convenient to the general motoring public, consumers will buy fuel no matter what the cost. The US had thier chance back in the 70's to say "All right that's it", but chose to go down the path of the Dinosaur.

If you havent realized by now the price of oil dictates the price of everthing in the US. Oil runs this country...period. Everthing is based around oil. That why we are inevitably screwed. It really doesnt matter what the prices of gas/diesel are people will pay.
This issue isnt going to change until we are out of oil, and they shut the pumps off. When the prices go up, the cost will be past on down the line to everything else.

Ethanol and Methanol are alternatives, but they take too long too produce, and currently cost too much to manufacture. Take away the corn from cattle, and then people will cry cause thier 1 dollar burger is 5 dollars, and thier gallon of milk is 15, we dont even want think what a big ole steak would cost. Current production of Ethanol or Methanol cant keep up with the demand of the consumer.

With the technology we have today, we have the abilty to create a better propulsion system, we just dont need or have to yet, OR (probably the real reason) the idea is crushed before it even makes past the drawing board.

Im proud to be a American, but the U.S. screwed up....like it or not, when they decided to build super highways, and didnt care squat about mass transit. "Its not convenient"....

The alternative crush the Suburban, Hummer, Excursion, and the like, and use a more economical vehicle. I hear it all the time... "I just feel safer in a big vehicle".... Rolling Eyes

Safe from what???? Oh yeah other big vehicles..... Take them out of the equasion and that answer wont pass.
We are spoiled Americans... want it all and wont sacrifice... admit it or not...
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KopfenJager · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:26 am Post subject:

Ehanol pruduction does not effect food prices, that is gibberish. The goverment pays farmers every year not to grow corn. Food prices are rising because the cost of diesel fuel is rising. Plain and simple. Fuel goes up, cost of shipping on everything goes up, price to consumer goes up. Corn is one of the least productive plants to make ethanol from. Sugar cane or beats are better. You can make it from patatoes and grass, wood, you name it. If it has starches or sugar it can make ethanol. The reason it cost more to produce is because of the way they go about it. They use diesel combines to harvest and diesel trucks to ship. If these where ethanol rigs, it would change the carbon footprint dramaticly.

KopfenJager · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:41 am Post subject:

And I hate to break it too every one but this country has huge oil reseves, This administartion just refuses to acknowledge it. The USA's plan on oil haas been the same from the begining. Use there oil and when it runs out, not share ours. If this idiot of a president would grant oil permits for drilling, not stand in front of the way of things like the keystone pipeline etc, WE WOULD HAVE $2.00 A GALLON GASOLINE. It's supply and demand. Now oil isn't the answer in the long run. BUT it is the answer now to help our country and the economy!!!! We do need to search out alternatives, but not invest in failing biusnessess. This president is trying to force Americans into $44,000.00 electric cars by artificaily raising fuel prices. AND its DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY! Tell me how you going to afford a $600.00 car payment and a $100.00 fuel bill when you can't afford no car payment and a $300.00 fuel bill????!!!!! Wind, solar, ethanol, there are a lot of things that can help, but until those alternatives become viable, we need to drill for more gasoline, get rid of C.A.R.B., reduce regulations on small buisness's, subsidize diesel fuel for truck drivers and come up with a common sense energy plan. And there is no way this is going to happen with the idiot we have in the white house now.

VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:19 am Post subject:

doc1369 · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:11 am Post subject:

Lack of fuel may start a war but it would be a different kind of war. War needs fuel to operate. I don't buy the gloom and doom one bit. Overpopullation will get us WAY before we run out of things to burn. Clean water will be what our grand children talk about not fuel. So loosen up that shiny hat nd buy amotorcycle guys. It's 10 bucks to fill the tank and it get's you laid. That's a win win any day of the week Laughing

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Lobotomy · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:29 am Post subject:

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