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RatCamper
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While you're giving people kits... 
If this weather doesn't turn into something precipitous I might go out and attack the undercarriage with a tape measure. Once I'm done I'll measure it up because I am a little curious about clearances. being an Aussie assembled vehicle there is some variance. As bad as the Brits, I swear.
My motor doesn't have an adapter plate in the traditional sense. It uses a replacement engine bellhousing (It's a thing on an EA81) so there is no extra length there. I'd have to substitute a normal bellhousing and flywheel anyway for a Subaru transmission. There's perhaps 30cm of clearance from the back of the motor to the back of the engine bay, so yes as you said the torsion tube is about the only thing sort of in the way.
That leads me to my next question. With the transmission mounted in a normal position, how much clearance is there to the torsion tube? Assuming 2wd manual here. From what you said I guess you aren't 100% on clearances with the 2wd auto yet as the modded transmission is still in development.
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Worms
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| Subarugears wrote: | | Hell yes!!! In fact my friends that live at One Tree Point (15 mins from you in Whangarei) are here in Sydney at the moment. I can give them a kit to bring back to N.Z. on Monday if you like. |
It's really bad timing (Mrs about to go on maternity leave, possible restructuring at work... PM sent anyway!!! 
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Jake Raby
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
funny, back in 07 jake wasn't a fan. but he dosen't seem to be as pinheaded like most are. i think its a great way to go myself |
"Only a fool can't change his mind"
A big reason that I started the Suby development and have taken it so far, so fast is directly related to the constant degradation of air-cooled component quality.
So, here you can have your engine served "wet or dry".
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RatCamper
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Jake Raby wrote: | | skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
funny, back in 07 jake wasn't a fan. but he dosen't seem to be as pinheaded like most are. i think its a great way to go myself |
"Only a fool can't change his mind"
A big reason that I started the Suby development and have taken it so far, so fast is directly related to the constant degradation of air-cooled component quality.
So, here you can have your engine served "wet or dry". |
That's it alright. Costs are going up and quality is going down. There's a certain cost / return ratio on parts where it really makes a person evaluate their options. Good parts are scarce and expensive. It's why my type 4 has been shelved, in the hope that I will come across a mechanic that had some things sitting in the storeroom or whatever. I haven't butchered my VW to do the heart transplant so really there is no negative besides not having an AC motor in there. I just need to keep telling myself i's temporary.
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SixStringMadMan
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Can you give us anymore info on the wheels and tires your client has on this bus? They look great!
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Subarugears
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| RatCamper wrote: | While you're giving people kits...
That leads me to my next question. With the transmission mounted in a normal position, how much clearance is there to the torsion tube? Assuming 2wd manual here. From what you said I guess you aren't 100% on clearances with the 2wd auto yet as the modded transmission is still in development. |
Give? Who said give? 
With the Subie transmission conversions, we get the nose of the transmission right up against the torsion tube. In fact if you have a look at the build pictures of Dan's Kombi, you will see he used the VW torsion tube nose mount as the transmission nose mount for the Subie. Just leave a space of 5 to 10mm for clearance and some driveline movement.
The challenge with subie autos is to get the drive flanges to line up as straight as possible with the trailing arm drive flanges, so the CV's don't have any (or very little) angle.
Now get out there and measure up!
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Worms
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| Subarugears wrote: |
Give? Who said give?
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I could handle "give"!
I told Todd I'd better hold off on the kit, but I've started collecting parts anyway (already have a pair of short auto axles coming!)
Another thought I've had this morning:
The early CT 1600 aircooled T3's had a end shift trans (like a Type 1, through the nose cone), instead of the side shift. If the shift rod movements are the same, perhaps a CT engined van (never sold in the US) could be a doner, and just the ball/fulcrum level could be changed? I'm not sure if the shaft movements would be the same though.
I saw one a while back, and the shaft goes through the cross member something similar to where David has put his. Perhaps just the rear would need changing, and the ratio at the lever end?????
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| Worms wrote: |
The early CT 1600 aircooled T3's had a end shift trans (like a Type 1, through the nose cone), instead of the side shift. If the shift rod movements are the same, perhaps a CT engined van (never sold in the US) could be a doner, and just the ball/fulcrum level could be changed? I'm not sure if the shaft movements would be the same though.
I saw one a while back, and the shaft goes through the cross member something similar to where David has put his. Perhaps just the rear would need changing, and the ratio at the lever end????? |
Yes, this is news to me Allan. I always assumed the CT engined T3s used the 091 transmission, but from what you are describing it sounds like they used the earlier 002 box. If the shift linkage for these connects directly to the tranny shift rod, then there must be a ball and socket at the front. I'm intrigued by this. I thought I had come up with an all new T3 shifter configuration with my conversion. Wouldn't it be ironic if VW had a similar arrangement in this seldom seen early model.
I wonder if anyone can show us a photo of the linkage or shifter on this model.
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Subarugears
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David's soon-to-be-released one is going to be better/cheaper/more available anyway 
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Worms
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I've been known to be wrong before - I could be dreaming!
I've tried to find pics of it on Google, but can't. The vehicle I saw the linkage in could have been modified due to a lack of a 'box available at the time, but I didn't think it look ed that way at the time!
| Subarugears wrote: | | David's soon-to-be-released one is going to be better/cheaper/more available anyway |
That is exactly true too! The problem with that early setup, is that it was a low volume model, only produced for a few years, and was fairly un-desirable, so they were probably worked to death (plus that little engine got a HARD life!).
I'll try a few sources to see if I can get pics etc. I tried online ETKA etc, but couldn't find a CT specific listing anywhere (I'm not really up with the play when it comes to ETKA though!)
The two CT powered vans I've driven (one is the one I mention above, but 10 years before I saw the linkage) both had very stiff levers, that were terribly sloppy - There was an art to driving them, which was possibly some flaw to the design combined with all the parts being worn out (probably from the shear number of times you had to change gears to keep the thing moving!).
I'll see what I can find, but I prefer Davids solution anyway (plus it'll be available!!!)
Cheers,
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Subarugears
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Here's some more pix and answers to your questions from the owner.
"The wheels are off an Audi Allroad (17 x 7.5) and the tyres are 215/50 series. I had to go with 215 to keep the tyre from rubbing on the inside edge of the rear guards. I did not want to modify the wheel arches to fit tyres otherwise these rims could take a wider tyre.
I got the radiators from one of the local radiator shops, they are an all alloy race radiator from a 90’s Honda Civic although I modified the inlet and outlet of both radiators to suit the application. Also added some mounts for the electric fans which are actually from the Subaru donor vehicle. They are a perfect fit with the radiators. The radiators are piped in series. So far they have performed pretty well. I have done a seven hundred kilometre road trip with the van loaded up with camping gear and towing a small boat and it never got hot. The fans do come on when required and the only mod I am going to do is add some small scoops to the air inlets to bring in a little more fresh air hoping that this will means the fans will only need to come on when driving slowly."
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RatCamper
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Another example of a good Subaru conversion looking like it rolled out of the factory with it.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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How much money do I have to throw at the screen before I get one of these?
Amazing work. Love it. |
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RatCamper
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To elaborate on my earlier comment, in no way, shape or form am I saying my conversion is a good one. I was comparing this one to other top notch ones I've seen.
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Hexadane
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How much would this kit cost to land in South Africa? (but with the 2,5 motor)
or just the gearbox for that matter. As i Have had 1st hand experience with the Cheap Parts we are forced to buy at a ridiculous Price. This conversion to me makes more sense in the long run than repairing the motor i currently have. |
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Subarugears
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Hexadane check out www.subarugears.com for pricing of kits and complete transmissions, shipped to your door. My first customer was from South Africa!
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| Thanks... I had a look, really am a fan of your workmanship. luckily i work in a field where getting stuff fabricated for me is no problem (im to busy to get it done) i have done a nissan 1500 conversion on mu bug but i thing going subaru would be a better option for me. |
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Many thanks. Having driven many of these conversions now I can say they truly change the nature of the vehicle. That flat 6 is sweet!
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Wow, what an awesome install. This thread just made me change my mind to abandon rebuilding my type IV. Given the cost of a proper IV rebuild it really looks like throwing good money after bad.
Can anyone show me the best website for researching a Bay window subaru conversion?
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