Split seat dilemna

murray7010 · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: Split seat dilemna

Hello all. When i bought my 51 split 3 years ago, it had zwitter/early oval seats with the straight tombstone style backrests. I have a buddy im selling these backrests to for his oval vert, so i thought i would pull them out and swap the seat covers to the split backrests that i picked up a few months ago. Upon test fitting the frames to my seat bottoms, i notice that the split backs dont sit all the way back, but they are resting against the stops. Do i have incorrect seat bottoms? Trying to figure out whats wrong in this equation as i was under the impression that the early seat bottoms were all the same from splits to early ovals. Here are some pictures so that you guys see what im dealing with. Any help is greatly appreciated. The black backrest is the zwitter style backrest and the rusty ones are the split backrest.

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murray7010 · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:46 am Post subject:

No one has any input?
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johnshenry · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject:

There are some pics of my '50 seats when I re did my interior in the "Zarwerks Spy Cam" thread. they might be of use to you...
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murray7010 · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject:

Thanks john, im wondering if the location of the pivoting pin on the seat bottoms are different. It seems that moving them forward would allow the backrests to sit properly, although i dont know if that is the correct solution.
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johnshenry · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject:

murray7010 · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject:

murray7010 · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject:

Here are some more pics with the measurements in inches.
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This picture is where i measured from the pivot to the rear of the seat track bracket. It measured at 4 5/8
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Here i measured from the pivot to the front of the seat track. It measured at 7 1/8
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murray7010 · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject:

Upon further inspection of the seat bottoms, i have a feeling that the excess padding on the back end may be responsible for throwing me off regarding how the backrests sits. Ill expose the seat bottom if necessary as well.
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ZwitterND · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject:

For what it's worth here is the seat off my 11/52 zwitter.

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beetlekey · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:31 am Post subject:

[quote="murray7010"]Here are some more pics with the measurements in inches.
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Hi,
my opinion is that the springbasket must move to the front.
You can corect this when you pull the springs on the upper frame to the rear.
and the springs on the loer frame to the front. You can also corect on this way the right position in the middle.
And put all that plastikstuff inside to the trash.
Marcus
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murray7010 · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:09 am Post subject:

murray7010 · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:19 am Post subject:

Well, looks like my seat bottoms are very different when compared to yours as well. The spring frame has an extra outer frame on the front and back sides and it seems that the seat track is longer on the back end as well. Based off of the seat track slides, They look similar to what would be on a 53-54 oval, but I only find gallery images with the rear outer frame piece, not the front.
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On another note, it does seem that my backrests follow the same profile as a picture of backrests in the gallery.
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ZwitterND · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:17 am Post subject:

Interesting, zwitter has the double rail in front not rear.

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73 Camaro
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Bill

murray7010 · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:04 am Post subject:

Yeah, i believe the splits have the front double railmas well. It appearsmthat a seriesmof clips hold the front and rear ones on. Im gonna see if i can remove the rear. Still unsure as tomwhat year these bottoms actually are.
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runsplit · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject:

Could you measure the lenght please.
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I'm afraid I have the same problem.
Before giving mine to the interior guy i perhaps need to take off my rear rail.

murray7010 · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject:

I got 19 5/16 measuring from the rear that you specified to the front, including the outer front frame. Also, i did not conform the tape to the contour of the seat, just ran it straight to the front. When i measure including the double outer frame on the front AND the rear, i get 20 1/2. But without the rear piece, its 19 5/16. And i have looked at the seats and it appears that the rear outer frame is detachable.
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murray7010 · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject:

runsplit · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject:

ZwitterND · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject:

My zwitter seat measure 19.625 ± .020 .. roughly.
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52 Deluxe Zwitter
67 Sedan
67 Convertible
73 Camaro
I wonder how smart I would be if I didn't ask stupid questions.
Bill

murray7010 · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject:

I will have to see how far off i am from that 19.625 when i convert 19 5/16. Seeems like the same general ballpark though
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