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trailblazr81 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 67 Location: Hollister, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: What size engine and HP/torque do I need?? |
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OK, so Ive owned a pretty mild baja bug before but most of my experience is with big american V8 cars n trucks so my knowledge of small air cooled engines is limited. I want a Type 1 that I can drive on a regular basis, go on trips, go up into the mountains, explore back roads, and occasionally attack a windy 2 lane road. I also want decent mileage, something that will last, and be reliable for long drives. Some of the freeways are 70MPH speed limits so I will need to cruise at 70-75. Im thinking of also going with a freeway flyer. Now I dont plan on whooping on Mustangs, Camaro's, Evo's, and Bimmers. But I would rather not have my doors blown off by some soccer mom in her minivan or small SUV. Being able to keep up with fart can imports would be nice but not needed. Just something fun, that can pull out of corners on a twisty back road, be able to pass grandma in her cadillac and big trucks going up grades is wanted. If possible I would like it to be able to run off of cheap gas or mid grade. Do I want 100hp or 130hp, or??? A 1776 or 1915cc motor?? Cost is an issue so no built 23000cc monsters. Thanks guys. _________________ Searching for my next air cooled. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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the cost of a 1915 isant much different that the 2332.go with the big mild motor & duel 40-44 hpmx crabs.build it right build it once and have fun. |
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DarthWeber Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7543 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
& duel crabs |
Absolutely go with duel crabs!
I'd go with an 82mm crank and 90.5mm or thick wall 92mm P/C set. This will give you 2110 or 2180cc. In a light Baja Bug anything over 2 liters will be fast.
Have you read this:
http://www.aircooled.net/vw-performance-engines/ _________________
Mitey62 wrote: |
Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on. |
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JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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my choice would depend mostly on gearing(trans and tire size), and how important is offroad VS highway? |
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trailblazr81 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 67 Location: Hollister, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Im sorry I guess I didnt write this right. I meant Ive had a Baja Bug in the past. But now I want a street Bug. Lower it a little, disc brakes, purdy wheels, and wide tires. _________________ Searching for my next air cooled. |
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MURZI Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2005 Posts: 5063 Location: Madisonville, La
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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My basic 1835 w110 combo in my baja is very very fun. Mid 15's in qtr which is in line with many civics, etc. Cheap combo, easy to build and fun. 1915 would be better choice but it is what i had. _________________ 62 vert
2276
Tim’s welded heads
45 Dells
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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ah, I see
well, that does narrow it down some
if you keep it stock stroke then you should also keep the gearing no higher than factory late model
If you stroke it then maybe you want higher gears |
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trailblazr81 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 67 Location: Hollister, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Is there much difference in mileage between engine sizes? My V8 cars have gotten as good as 23MPG cruising at around 80 MPH full tank all hiway. None of those were stock either. If I kept my cruising speed at 65-70 MPH depending on posted speed limit, what kind of MPG's can I get? I would like high 20's if not 30 but really dont know what to expect. _________________ Searching for my next air cooled. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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a stock 1600dp will go 85mph all day if it's in decent shape.
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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my 1874 got the worst mpg the 2332 the best, the 2028 is a little less than the 2332. 30-36 mpg combined in town&highway. a biger motor has to work a lot less and will push a bug just fine just barly opening the throttels so the crabs dont get out&bite the camarows&stanger's |
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Woody Gee Samba Member
Joined: January 17, 2012 Posts: 125 Location: Wyoming-5000 ft altitude
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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There is a saying that the only thing that will beat cubic inches is cubic dollars. If your going to punch a hole in the case might as well make it a big hole. If your putting a stroker crank in the case, go big....it's the same money. Put some heads on it.....as much as you can afford and then a cam to compliment the package. Tuned properly you will get decent mileage. It takes less than 50hp to go 70mph even if you have 150 available. The other 100 hp is for fun and you can't put a price on fun. IMO.
At least half of the expense will be the mods to make the car able to handle the power.
There is some very good reading at http://www.aircooled.net/vw-technical-articles/ and here on the "sticky's". _________________ His: 74 standard bug, 2332 squishie, FK46, L7,
currently installing CB gen 4 Turbo/FI
Hers: 67 bug project, 2332 in boxes, FK44, L6
theirs: 62 2110 turbo drag car
floor sweep motor 12.98 @107
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trailblazr81 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 67 Location: Hollister, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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36 MPG out of a 2332cc motor?? Thats insane!! That aircooled.net 1800cc no machine work motor looks interesting. _________________ Searching for my next air cooled. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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the one thing you must never EVER forget is no matter what power output you wind up with, you only have a 80hp cooling system. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Let u know what you now have to start with and give us a fair estimate of how much you are really willing to spend and we can make a suggestion. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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rgdedge Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2006 Posts: 862 Location: Seymour, TN
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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My 1850 will run 75 on the interstate for hours ( 10 hours last November to Daytona) , run low 15's maybe high 14,s if the traction's good and still get 30+ MPG. Had been doing it for years.
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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rgdedge What is the combo to get 1850cc's? _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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72 Squareback
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trailblazr81 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 67 Location: Hollister, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
the one thing you must never EVER forget is no matter what power output you wind up with, you only have a 80hp cooling system. |
Thanks. Thats good to know. I'll have to look into cooling setups. _________________ Searching for my next air cooled. |
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rgdedge Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2006 Posts: 862 Location: Seymour, TN
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: |
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gt1953 wrote: |
rgdedge What is the combo to get 1850cc's? |
76x88. 041 heads I ported, 36mm Dells, FK-8 cam ( I know, needs smaller cam but pulls good to 7000) thunder bird large flange header with heater boxes. Orignally built in late 80's, rebuilt about 8 years ago.
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